Last post on Dec 10, 2013 at 5:02 PM
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17046 of 20239 Re: Test Drove 2013 Accord LX [ctl]
Nov 02, 2012 (1:13 pm)
noises was/has been the biggest show stopper on Accord for my wife. Really thought Honda has finally put its acts together in this generation... very disappointing!! although we will also test drive in person to confirm, but if it is much noisier than 2009 Sonata...
You mentioned to have also driven 2013 Altima, the new Altima was claimed to be Camry-level quiet, how does that Altima compared with your Sonata in terms of noises? granted the Sonata is a V6.
I drove a 2012 Altima SL, not the new design 2013. It didn't stand out to me as particularly noisy. However, the day I drove the Altima, I drove a 2011 Fusion Hybrid. That car was such a trip (in a good way) that noise levels don't stand out to me on the Altima.
To Hyundai's credit/detriment, my V6 Sonata seems to have bested the comparable Camry in terms of isolation from noise and vibration, at least in comparison to the LE V6 I drove of the previous generation. As a result, it's pretty dull to drive, but very serene on a trip or my long highway commute.
#17047 of 20239 Re: Test Drove 2013 Accord LX [stickguy]
Nov 02, 2012 (1:15 pm)
I always found my 2005 EX-L 4 cyl to be quite quiet, except for some tire noise on certain road surfaces. Other than that, very peaceful.
I did too until I bought my Sonata. In comparison, the Honda has loads of road noise. Was a good car though!
#17048 of 20239 bold and cold
Nov 02, 2012 (6:06 pm)
WHY IS EVERYTHING IN BOLD NOW? IS THIS A TRIAL?
#17049 of 20239 I pledge the whole truth and nothing but the...
Nov 02, 2012 (8:24 pm)
Truth. The truth is when we can quibble all day about which car is better and which one costs the least/most, which is fastest or most fuel efficient or both. Then, we can all argue and fight about why we like what we purchased, or are about to purchase. I have a list of my top 10 reasonably priced cars, if anyone cares to keep fighting!
10) ACURA ILX 2.4 6 speed manual (200 hp, and yes it is a gussied up Civic) Price? $25k!!
9) Mazda Miata MX-5. Love everything about it, except that I can't fit in it. We all want what we can't have, and I CANT!
8) 2000 Acura Integra. Drove like it was on rails. Really. Fantastic, light, Civic-based gold standard for handling in a sleek, sexy package. Price? $19,999. 2 door, black, tan interior, and with the wing on the back. 5 speed manual only of course. The 4 speed slushbox killed it's direct control charm. It is also a Civic underneath...not a bad thing...just a footnote. Acura made a fortune on them.
7) 1995 Mazda RX-7. OMG. Fast, direct, screamed like a banshee, Engine has ONE moving part. ONE!
6) 2007 Shelby Mustang GT, (Nuff said)
7) Camaro SS 305 HP LT1 Awesome! (until it breaks down)
5) Firebird Formula (same as Camaro + a beluga whale as front clip) fast though!
#17050 of 20239 mid size sales race for October
Nov 03, 2012 (4:36 am)
Camry 29,926 +35.8%
Accord 28,349 +25.5%
Altima 24,623 +12.8%
Sonata 16,773 -8%
Fusion 12,690 -29.9%
Malibu 9,629 -6%
200 8,758 -22%
Passat 8,355 +65.8%
I'm surprised at how close the Accord is to the Camry....Just a fluke? Don't know....
#17051 of 20239 Re: mid size sales race for October [benjaminh]
Nov 03, 2012 (4:45 am)
What surprises me the most is Kia out-selling Ford, GM, Chrysler, and VW. People must be catching onto the fact that the Optima is a fine choice in the mid-sized field, also very reasonably priced - nicely equipped for under $20k real world pricing.
Also interesting: Hyundai/Kia together nearly beating sales of the Camry!
I think once the new Accord catches on it will overtake the Camry. At least it should if there is any justice; Camry pales in comparison to the new Accord in so many ways. Toyota needs to be sent a message: mediocre isn't good enough any more.
#17052 of 20239 Re: mid size sales race for October [benjaminh]
Nov 03, 2012 (5:38 am)
The Accord and Camry have been close in the race Camry wins for years, so current sales figures are not unusual. The Altima has been doing much better in the past few years. Interesting to see that the Optima outsells the Fusion right now. And for VW to make such inroads after years of basically being a non-plyer in this segment is remarkable.
#17053 of 20239 Fusion Sales annotation
Nov 03, 2012 (7:25 am)
I think people who are interested in a Fusion are delaying purchase until the 2013 models are widely available. The pictures of the pretty faced new model have been around for months and people like the AM-like snout. It is a new model and many will wait for the newest model. The present 2012 Fusion is a lame duck in their eyes. To others, the present 2012 Fusion may be a very good deal when Ford applies promotions to move the residual stock of the 2012s. Some may prefer the 2012 to the 2013 (I would) based on the "never buy the first model year" axiom. I find the styling of the new Fusion to be awkward (small tapered snout, BIG side view, high back). I prefer the new grille to the old razor blade type but the grille is not an item I would base purchase on. I wish Ford well and expect the new Fusions will sell well. I think they let the cat out of the bag a bit early in that some folks have been salivating for the new model for 6 months now. That has to hurt sales of the present model at least until there are lots of 2013s for people to see in person and make their final decision. Now they are in limbo.
#17054 of 20239 Re: I pledge the whole truth and nothing but the... [cski]
Nov 03, 2012 (7:59 am)
This forum is about MID-SIZED SEDANS so you may have more people to argue with on the appropriate forums for the cars you listed. And if you "pledge to speak the truth....", you might try with the right price on the ILX. The 2.4L starts at $29,200...not $25k.
#17055 of 20239 Re: mid size sales race for October [benjaminh]
Nov 03, 2012 (7:57 am)
Not surprising as they were dealing(blowing out) the 2012 model Accords and the 2013s started to sell with great reviews from the auto press. I think tons of people are/were holding out for the new Fusion which isn't reflected at all and will probably be a huge seller.
As far as Sonata/Optima almost as many sales as Camry, I'd be more interested in a YTD number as one month can be a very incomplete picture. There may have been a large rental fleet buy, may have been a lot of incentives for some reason, new model introductions, sale prices by dealers, etc. Any number of things can greatly influence a monthly sales number so, though somewhat interesting, not all that meaningful.