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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17042 of 20193 2010 Milan/Fusion I4=quiet and reliable
Nov 02, 2012 (9:27 am)
I am 27,000 miles into a 2010 Mercury Milan (aka Fusion with different appearance pieces) with not one issue and it is very quiet (one of the main reasons for the purchase) and economical (average over 27,000 = 31.4 mpg staying in Left lane). It has sync but none of the other electronic doodads which Ford seems to be pushing. A great car with very good handling on Michelins which look like they will give about 40,000+ judging from remaining tread. I hope they maintain a near base version without all the gadgets since I refuse to buy a car with a screen that needs to be read to communicate it's message. I will not take my eyes off the road. I do favor knobs and buttons. I am a bit of a luddite but I am also an electrical engineer and shudder to think of the expensive repairs that could result from a single diode opening somewhere among the thousands of circuit boards that are being given more and more control over how the car drives. There are electronic LSDs on some cars now that "apply the brakes to the outside wheel when cornering to act as a LSD". I don't want to be driving along at 75 mph when that circuit goes haywire. I perceive that a significant minority think Ford is going overboard with the gadgets. Sync was good and they were first to market but Ford should remember they are not Sony. Stick to cars and reliability. Less is more.
#17043 of 20193 Re: 2010 Milan/Fusion I4=quiet and reliable [pod]
Nov 02, 2012 (9:59 am)
Remember...SYNC is Microsoft...
#17044 of 20193 Re: 2010 Milan/Fusion I4=quiet and reliable [pod]
Nov 02, 2012 (12:24 pm)
That's kind of why we chose the Highlander over the Edge or Explorer. We wanted the limited, but since it was my wife's vehicle I felt uncomfortable with her using the MyFordTouch. You can use voice command to change radio presets and to change the Temp. We were not going to get the Navigation. Actually, my wife would have never figured it out. She can't even use the buttons on the steering wheel of our Fusion or the Highlander. She still reaches over and uses the knobs and buttons on the center stack. She is pretty much the opposite of Tech savvy. Also the Highlander did ride a lot smoother than the Edge. The Explorer was more vehicle than we needed with no kids left at home.
#17045 of 20193 Re: Test Drove 2013 Accord LX [jvbeattie]
Nov 02, 2012 (1:08 pm)
I heard no mention of the new "Fusion". I drove the 2013 accord and Fusion and the Fusion is much more quiet and better sounding engine (1.6L ecoboost). Accord has better ergonomics though.
I like the looks of the Fusion, but quality concerns as of late and a particularly high sticker price for the equipment level I'd want leave me cold. I'll likely drive one soon enough, but the Ford dealer wasn't in the area where I was that particular afternoon.
#17046 of 20193 Re: Test Drove 2013 Accord LX [ctl]
Nov 02, 2012 (1:13 pm)
noises was/has been the biggest show stopper on Accord for my wife. Really thought Honda has finally put its acts together in this generation... very disappointing!! although we will also test drive in person to confirm, but if it is much noisier than 2009 Sonata...
You mentioned to have also driven 2013 Altima, the new Altima was claimed to be Camry-level quiet, how does that Altima compared with your Sonata in terms of noises? granted the Sonata is a V6.
I drove a 2012 Altima SL, not the new design 2013. It didn't stand out to me as particularly noisy. However, the day I drove the Altima, I drove a 2011 Fusion Hybrid. That car was such a trip (in a good way) that noise levels don't stand out to me on the Altima.
To Hyundai's credit/detriment, my V6 Sonata seems to have bested the comparable Camry in terms of isolation from noise and vibration, at least in comparison to the LE V6 I drove of the previous generation. As a result, it's pretty dull to drive, but very serene on a trip or my long highway commute.
#17047 of 20193 Re: Test Drove 2013 Accord LX [stickguy]
Nov 02, 2012 (1:15 pm)
I always found my 2005 EX-L 4 cyl to be quite quiet, except for some tire noise on certain road surfaces. Other than that, very peaceful.
I did too until I bought my Sonata. In comparison, the Honda has loads of road noise. Was a good car though!
#17048 of 20193 bold and cold
Nov 02, 2012 (6:06 pm)
WHY IS EVERYTHING IN BOLD NOW? IS THIS A TRIAL?
#17049 of 20193 I pledge the whole truth and nothing but the...
Nov 02, 2012 (8:24 pm)
Truth. The truth is when we can quibble all day about which car is better and which one costs the least/most, which is fastest or most fuel efficient or both. Then, we can all argue and fight about why we like what we purchased, or are about to purchase. I have a list of my top 10 reasonably priced cars, if anyone cares to keep fighting!
10) ACURA ILX 2.4 6 speed manual (200 hp, and yes it is a gussied up Civic) Price? $25k!!
9) Mazda Miata MX-5. Love everything about it, except that I can't fit in it. We all want what we can't have, and I CANT!
8) 2000 Acura Integra. Drove like it was on rails. Really. Fantastic, light, Civic-based gold standard for handling in a sleek, sexy package. Price? $19,999. 2 door, black, tan interior, and with the wing on the back. 5 speed manual only of course. The 4 speed slushbox killed it's direct control charm. It is also a Civic underneath...not a bad thing...just a footnote. Acura made a fortune on them.
7) 1995 Mazda RX-7. OMG. Fast, direct, screamed like a banshee, Engine has ONE moving part. ONE!
6) 2007 Shelby Mustang GT, (Nuff said)
7) Camaro SS 305 HP LT1 Awesome! (until it breaks down)
5) Firebird Formula (same as Camaro + a beluga whale as front clip) fast though!
#17050 of 20193 mid size sales race for October
Nov 03, 2012 (4:36 am)
Camry 29,926 +35.8%
Accord 28,349 +25.5%
Altima 24,623 +12.8%
Sonata 16,773 -8%
Fusion 12,690 -29.9%
Malibu 9,629 -6%
200 8,758 -22%
Passat 8,355 +65.8%
I'm surprised at how close the Accord is to the Camry....Just a fluke? Don't know....
#17051 of 20193 Re: mid size sales race for October [benjaminh]
Nov 03, 2012 (4:45 am)
What surprises me the most is Kia out-selling Ford, GM, Chrysler, and VW. People must be catching onto the fact that the Optima is a fine choice in the mid-sized field, also very reasonably priced - nicely equipped for under $20k real world pricing.
Also interesting: Hyundai/Kia together nearly beating sales of the Camry!
I think once the new Accord catches on it will overtake the Camry. At least it should if there is any justice; Camry pales in comparison to the new Accord in so many ways. Toyota needs to be sent a message: mediocre isn't good enough any more.