Last post on Dec 08, 2013 at 7:45 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17008 of 20223 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion. Beautiful in blue.... [cski]
Oct 22, 2012 (9:37 am)
It's a very well done vehicle. I do mostly highway driving and it seems to have to have the merge/passing power. I have to get used to a conventional transmission as opposed to the CVT on the Max - and the turbo as you push it hard. As I mentioned, it's a very smooth and quiet ride. You have to test drive one yourself. The Sync system isn't perfect but I knew that going in. Bluetooth streaming is hit/miss with my iPhone 4S but it works well tethered to USB. I really like the voice command capability. My only gripe is it can be a bit slow to respond (changing from XM to a certain FM station for instance). I have only the base Titanium package and the sunroof so I can't comment on the other features. The seats wrap around you and feel very secure. Ford did a good job of managing ride quality with handling as I feel it's pretty responsive. It's about the same size interior/exterior as my Maxima with a longer wheelbase. Good back seat room. It's a very easy car to drive. I have to enjoy the fact I'm the only one around here with one now because I'm pretty sure Ford will sell the heck out of these.
#17009 of 20223 Fury63 Fusion
Oct 22, 2012 (1:33 pm)
Now that was a review!
I forgot the Max had a CVT. I need to drive a CVT in a nice car like the MAX so I can throw off the chains of oppression as I stop thinking of a Subaru Justy every time I hear "CVT".
The switch must be something to get used to. I like the Max. Ever since they have made it it was the original (Japanese) 4DSC. Back in 96 190 HP was hot stuff and then the 2000 with 222 HP was on tap for delivery. Great addition to the genuine sport sedan.
#17010 of 20223 Re: Fury63 Fusion [cski]
Oct 22, 2012 (4:18 pm)
I think Nissan did a great job on their CVT but in the end it's a CVT and some people can't get past that. You can always put it in sport mode for that simulated shift. I enjoyed driving the Max; just wanted something different. Unfortunately for the Max their MPGs are still not that great but that's what the Altima is for I guess.
#17011 of 20223 Re: Fury63 Fusion [fury63]
Oct 23, 2012 (2:59 am)
The Altima is Nissan's Accamalibusion. An amalgam of current mid-size sedan style, MPG, and design. I am already bored with it.
Car and Driver said it looks like a Camry that was stung by bees. Lol.
#17012 of 20223 Having read all these since I last praised...
Oct 23, 2012 (1:32 pm)
the 2013 Suzuki Kizashi on here, I remain mostly impressed with the:
#17013 of 20223 Re: Having read all these since I last praised... [iluvmysephia1]
Oct 23, 2012 (5:27 pm)
I also am a fan of the Kizashi. A very well built car that is prime for freshening. Suzuki has an opportunity to be the newest sedan on the block since all the major players have been designed, redesigned, or freshened in the past year or so. Suzuki seems to be holding back on committing to the mid-size sedan fight. I am curious to see what they do as a company in the near future.
The mid-size sedan is THE most difficult car to build for the masses. It has to be all things to all people...and Suzuki seems to not want to play that game.
#17014 of 20223 Re: Having read all these since I last praised... [cski]
Oct 23, 2012 (5:46 pm)
The Mazda6 is the next new one out of the gate and should be at dealers very early in 2013. The Kizashi is old news that never caught on. The Suzuki dealer right next to my Mazda dealer closed up about a year after the Kizashi came out. They needed a conventional transmission and a V6 or turbo 4. They were touting it as a cheap alternative to an Audi but it didn't have the HP to really compete in that sports arena. Suzuki will probably slip quietly away into the night(from the USA) much like Izuzu did. My understanding is that they do well in Japan and the rest of Asia but just can't seem to make great inroads in the US and I think Europe as well. I don't even hear that much about their motorcycles much anymore. I know their boat motorss are that desired either.
#17015 of 20223 Re: Having read all these since I last praised... [m6user]
Oct 24, 2012 (6:57 am)
The Kizashi has very few fans but some of them are quite loyal. Most of them would be impressed if they drove the 2013 competitive models, and could see where the Kizashi needs updating. I like the size of the Kizashi, but it has fallen behind on styling, equipment, power choices, and quietness.
The 2014 Mazda6, out in January, looks to be a winner.
#17016 of 20223 Re: Having read all these since I last praised... [m6user]
Oct 24, 2012 (11:36 am)
I was being polite. If you read between the lines I said this about the Kizashi:
A) It needed updating badly. (boring)
B) Their heart isn't in it. (boring)
C) They nibbled some market share from the big boys as an alternative too many. (boring)
D) Didn't Suzuki make crappy little 4x4's (Samurai) that enjoyed a cult following? Why don't they do that again?
#17017 of 20223 Test Drove 2013 Accord LX
Oct 24, 2012 (1:09 pm)
For full disclosure - my car history has been:
1996 Accord: My first car. Cramped for my 6'4" frame, and not particularly peppy (130hp) but it had a personality. I miss that car.
2006 Accord: Great to drive. Had some road noise, felt more powerful than it was.
Currently have a 2009 Sonata GLS V6: Quiet, smooth riding, lots of power with good MPG (averaging 29-30mpg on my highway commute), absolutely no fun to drive around a bend.
The 2013 Accord was still disapppointingly noisy compared to my quiet Hyundai. I'm not sure I could go back to that level of road noise every day after commuting 100 miles a day in my quiet coffin of a car, the Sonata. However, the engine felt good under my foot, but made a noise that was not pleasant like previous Honda fours. Part of DI, I suppose.
The CVT didn't feel that different from an automatic. It had obvious "shift" points. When I gunned it to merge, it had definite "shifts" in ratio. Frankly, I liked the feel of the 2012 Altima I drove, and how it smoothly ramped up the revs, and dropped them back. The Accord didn't feel as "rubber-bandy" I suppose, but it wasn't nearly as smooth as the Altima was, either. Overall, not a deal maker or breaker for me. It was good enough.
The interior had loads of space. My Sonata is a "Large Car" by EPA standards, with a moonroof, and the Accord felt at least as spacious. No problems there. My seat in my Hyundai offered more travel/front legroom for me, but not by much. The Honda offered comfy seating and rear vents, a nice touch.
In the end, these were the items I focused on; powertrain, space, and noise levels. While the Honda was definitely more spry than my current Sonata, nothing about it made me pine for a new car right now. I'm content with what I have (and no car payment).