Last post on Dec 05, 2013 at 4:17 PM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#17000 of 20193 Re: Mid size sedan comparo C/D 11/12 issue-4 cars [akirby]
Oct 18, 2012 (12:02 pm)
Agreed. 47mpg is awesome.
I have had so many problems with cars in the past...stranded on the road in many, that I am gun shy of anything that is limited production, turbocharged, or GT versions. My 87 Z24 with unrepairable cracked transmission and alternators that died monthly. 1994 - Yamaha engine melted down in my SHO. 96 Passat TDI that had to be shut off and on every 5 miles to get the turbo to work.
All sales people had said things like "bullet proof" and "will never leave you stranded". All did. So, now I buy cars more likely to make it 150k without a major problem, and with the most available and cheapest parts. All the while still trying to buy something that isn't a bread-box on wheels.
I understand why millions buy Corolla's and Camry's. They are a safe bet for reliability and are serene places to sit and drive. I am amused the adding an "S" on the back of everything increases sales. I am also amused that every 75% of Toyota Corolla's I see on the road (the ones with the "S" usually) are missing at least one hubcap. Does the S stand for stolen?
No. With me it seems the S stands for sub-standard, stranded, sucker, and stupid.
I am still holding out that I can drive a nice looking car that isn't a Camry or Accord or a Corolla out of fear of breakdowns.
However, the EX on the back of my Kia may yet be EX-ploded or EX-pensive to repair. I hope not. Not this time.
I do a lot of research now before I buy now. The rest is how I treat the car, and that the welding robot wasn't off-line when my car sailed down the assembly line. But it doesn't have an S....so there is hope.
#17001 of 20193 Re: Mid size sedan comparo C/D 11/12 issue-4 cars [cski]
Oct 18, 2012 (12:55 pm)
You are talking about 1980s/1990s cars that had special engines. Car companies don't put out hardware that is not designed to last the long haul. They can't afford to in this competitive environment. Even VW with its questionable quality reputation had engineered their TDIs to be much more problem-free than their gassers by the early 2000s. My 2003 TDI is still going strong (with its new owner), and both a 2002 TDI and a 2005 TDI in my extended family have gone beyond 200K with only routine maintenance. Soon enough you will not have a choice. Contrary to what Allen said, the 1.6 and 2.0 Ecoboosts do cost more right now because they have the direct injection/turbo technology and equipment not present yet on some competitors' engines. Some components have been re-engineered for the added stress, so that the engine will last similarly to a non-Ecoboost 2.5 liter. However, soon enough most engines will be DI turbos, because with tightening MPG regulations, it is one way to get good mileage and the torque people want, without resorting to diesels, or the even more expensive hybrids and electrics.
There has never been a time when the mid-size car buyer had so many excellent choices. Buy what you like, don't drive the piss out of it all the time, do the routine maintenance suggested, and any of these cars will give you more satisfactory service than you have had with your previous rides.
#17002 of 20193 Re: Mid size sedan comparo C/D 11/12 issue-4 cars [gregg_vw]
Oct 18, 2012 (1:38 pm)
See, my Optima's (and the Sonata's) 2.4 engine is DI, non-turbo, and the car weighs in at 3240. 200 hp and 186 lb-ft without all the turbo gear.
It is a blast to drive, and without jamming my foot to the floor or coming near redline. I have no problem with modern.
Lastly In the Car & Driver comparo, the Fusion BROKE DOWN. It was flashing warning lights....of the check engine sort. They also said the tranny was very busy, trying desperately to keep on boost.
#17003 of 20193 Re: Accord vs Camry, round 1 [benjaminh]
Oct 19, 2012 (1:40 am)
"DA DA DA Don Da da don da da....da da da daaa da dun don da da..."
(The evil empire music played as Darth Vader walks into the control room of his gigantic ship's bridge/CIC. (or when Vader enter's any scene where evil is to be done). lmao.
I imagine the same music runs in customers heads as they are marched into the finance department with not so perfect credit. "Sir, the force may be with you, but not with your credit. ...and your trade is an X-wing what? It says here o your car fax report that it was crashed in a swamp and has some water damage. and because of that, all you have is a salvage title Luke.
Well, I can put you in a Versa! How about that? lol.
#17004 of 20193 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion. Beautiful in blue.... [cski]
Oct 21, 2012 (7:50 am)
I bought a Titanium last week after looking at the new Accord and the LaCrosse. Coming from a Maxima SV, I never thought I'd be excited about a Fusion. But I have to say it delivers. The excellent ride and quiet interior along with the Sync technology and the overall look are what hooked me. I have about 600 miles on it. For me, it is a very comfortable ride in both city and highway driving. You have to baby it to get good mpg in stop-n-good. Highway is between 28-30. Hopefully it will get better. My kids love the ambient lighting and the stereo rocks. So far I'm pleased with it.
#17005 of 20193 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion. Beautiful in blue.... [fury63]
Oct 22, 2012 (6:13 am)
Which engine is in it? 2.5? 1.6? 2.0? Please tell us all about it. Thanks!!!
#17006 of 20193 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion. Beautiful in blue.... [cski]
Oct 22, 2012 (6:52 am)
Titaniums only come with the 2.0L.
#17007 of 20193 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion. Beautiful in blue.... [akirby]
Oct 22, 2012 (9:32 am)
Good to know that. Thanks. How does it drive? How was your dealer experience? What do you like about it? Where is the sweet spot in the power delivery?
#17008 of 20193 Re: 2013 Ford Fusion. Beautiful in blue.... [cski]
Oct 22, 2012 (9:37 am)
It's a very well done vehicle. I do mostly highway driving and it seems to have to have the merge/passing power. I have to get used to a conventional transmission as opposed to the CVT on the Max - and the turbo as you push it hard. As I mentioned, it's a very smooth and quiet ride. You have to test drive one yourself. The Sync system isn't perfect but I knew that going in. Bluetooth streaming is hit/miss with my iPhone 4S but it works well tethered to USB. I really like the voice command capability. My only gripe is it can be a bit slow to respond (changing from XM to a certain FM station for instance). I have only the base Titanium package and the sunroof so I can't comment on the other features. The seats wrap around you and feel very secure. Ford did a good job of managing ride quality with handling as I feel it's pretty responsive. It's about the same size interior/exterior as my Maxima with a longer wheelbase. Good back seat room. It's a very easy car to drive. I have to enjoy the fact I'm the only one around here with one now because I'm pretty sure Ford will sell the heck out of these.
#17009 of 20193 Fury63 Fusion
Oct 22, 2012 (1:33 pm)
Now that was a review!
I forgot the Max had a CVT. I need to drive a CVT in a nice car like the MAX so I can throw off the chains of oppression as I stop thinking of a Subaru Justy every time I hear "CVT".
The switch must be something to get used to. I like the Max. Ever since they have made it it was the original (Japanese) 4DSC. Back in 96 190 HP was hot stuff and then the 2000 with 222 HP was on tap for delivery. Great addition to the genuine sport sedan.