Last post on Dec 03, 2013 at 4:29 PM
You are in the Sedans
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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16986 of 20187 Re: C/D's choice for best mid-sized family sedan [rmiranne]
Oct 12, 2012 (11:29 am)
The Passat is well-done. Understated but elegant styling, room, and handling. Sales have gone from almost nothing to quite respectable, and deservedly so.
It's a great time to shop for a mid-sized car. Everything has recently been renewed, or will be shortly. None of them are duds, with the possible exception of the Chrysler 200, which should be entirely new in 2014.
I like the Fusion a lot, but its looks have been over-hyped. Yes, the grill has Aston overtones, but the rest of the car is right within the current styling themes for intermediates. It is less flashy than the Sonata and the Optima, but takes on more of a world style than Malibu--a car that looks like a proper Chevrolet. the new Fusion is another of Ford's products where the styling makes it look smaller in the metal than it actually is, even though it is actually larger than the previous Fusion. The 1.6 Ecoboost will probably meet the needs of most people, and is more of a competitive "base" engine than the 2.5.
The new Mazda6 will be the best looking of all of them. The Accord certainly looks better than it did, and is now quieter too. The Altima looks more expensive than it is. The Camry is probably one of the least appealing of the lot, given its nothing interior styling and trim, and the un-integrated front and rear styling. Camry sells on reputation, deserved or not. It's 4 cylinder engine is hardly state of the art. Creative advertising could really shake things up for any of the new entries.
#16987 of 20187 Chrysler 200 in Hospice....
Oct 12, 2012 (11:26 am)
Gregg, I totally agree. The new Passat is beautiful, inside and out. I screams AUDI!!I am an AUDI!!!, but
The Chrysler 200 is the oldest platform in the midsize market. Yes, the 3.6 Pentastar engine added some much needed grunt and allowed the 200 to be removed from life support, but in the end.....the 200 is outdated. It is nothing more than a gussied up Sebring.
The Fusion looks great, and I suspect it will take a large chunk of sales away from other mid-size offerings. My Korean friends are still sticking it to Toyota, and I can't believe the low quality looking cockpit materials on the Camry. Why could they not have added just a little more ES/GS 350 dash materials to the interior? Whyyyyyy? Also, the Toyota engine offerings are 25 HP short than some of it's competitors. So is it's warranty.
I hate to beat this horse again, but my 2012 Optima EX (Spicy Red) blows them all away except the Passat. However, the Passat is $10k more!!! That is $1,000,000,000,000,000.012 more than my car. (my car's sticker was $24,360. After negotiation it was dropped to 20,260)
So, who has the combination of style, features, and quality as my Optima EX 2.4?
Please....lets talk about it. I think my deal was pretty much unbeatable. So was the warranty.
#16988 of 20187 Re: Chrysler 200 in Hospice.... [cski]
Oct 12, 2012 (11:31 am)
Optimas still draw the eye like no other mid-sizer, even though they are no longer the newest thing. Camrys don't.
Oct 12, 2012 (2:04 pm)
I am not in the market for something in this class (different needs than when I bought my 2005 Accord, which has since moved on), but man, there are some nice choices here now.
I actually don't care for the Sonata styling (overdone) but did like the Kia. The Accord seems to be a vast improvement over the last generation (which I did not care for). The Camry has plusses, the Fusion looks interesting, the passat and Altima are strong options. Even the malibu is light years ahead of the old one. The Legacy is a great option too.
Tough class to be playing in, but good for the consumer.
#16990 of 20187 Re: the class [stickguy]
Oct 14, 2012 (5:09 pm)
Agreed. I like the Sonata, but only the turbo with the big fancy wheels. Most of the one's on the road though are of the GLS sort....hubcaps, single exhaust, no fog lights, cloth seats, and the base interior has a little too much hard black plastic.
However, with the Kia; even the base model LX Optima has alloys (16's), dual exhaust, fog lights, etc. It looks just as good as any other Optima to the casual eye. (but no 17' alloys, dual zone climate control, manumatic sport shift, HID headlights, LED brake lights, leather, etc etc).
I have started to look at Camry's with the attitude of "why would I WANT to buy this car? Why? The interior is drab, the center stack looks like Emerson and Soundesign had a baby. I just cant stand them for some reason. They are relatively good looking, but all the Camry's I see on the road around here are of the hubcap and beige paint variety. Great car to commit a crime in. "Well, I think it was a tan Toyota something-or-other officer".
I am gonna go watch "The Walking Dead". And while I am thinking about it, why aren't they all driving Camry's? No way I am staking my life on a 82 Suburban!!!
#16991 of 20187 2013 Ford Fusion. Beautiful in blue....
Oct 16, 2012 (4:17 am)
I just pulled into my local grocery store and in the parking lot was a new Fusion. I gotta tell you.....it is fantastic looking in person.
It was totally gorgeous in Titanium trim. It is going to be a home run hit, if they price it right for a good overall value. Well, I did some research, and it would cost around 27k to get all of the features that my Optima EX has. So, my car stickered $4,000 less BEFORE haggling down to $20,500. (in all fairness I bought my car on the last day of 2011..so the dealer just wanted to move another unit...so I got a great deal) Now, if the pricing was really close, I would have a very difficult decision on my hands.
So, it comes down to affordability and personal preference on style. I would not mind being seen in a new Fusion at all, and I am sure that many buyers will feel the same way.
My hat's off to Ford. If anyone here has test driven one please post your experience.
#16992 of 20187 I still want one of these...
Oct 17, 2012 (2:24 pm)
2012 Suzuki Kizashi
For now I'll just have to poach looks at them from here or there whilst driving around the Spokane-Coeur d' Alene area, eh?
I'm gonna get one one day! That blows the Ford Fusion, Chevy Malibu, Toyota Camry, even my beloved Mitsubishi's Galant outta the water. Sheesh Mitsubishi, do ya think it's time ta update your Galant? Or is the Galant toast? I think Mitsubishi decided to put the kiebash on the Galant because of poor sales but even the outgoing Galant blows the Toyota Camry cleanly out of the water.
This is what I'm talking about
This almost looks grey ta me but I think it's that gorgeous silver I've been talkin' about. I don't see how you could want any other car on the planet besides the Mitsubishi Lancer GTS. Simply gorgeous, great running, great performing car automotive dudes and dudettes.
#16993 of 20187 Re: I still want one of these... [iluvmysephia1]
Oct 17, 2012 (2:33 pm)
But the Kizashi is getting a bit long in the tooth. A styling update would help, but so many of the options and features on these other cars are not even available on the Kizashi. I like the size though...it's one of the reasons I bought a Volvo S60.
#16994 of 20187 Mid size sedan comparo C/D 11/12 issue-4 cars
Oct 17, 2012 (6:56 pm)
Well, as predicted the new Fusion with the 1.6 Eco-Boost lost the comparo. It was also $29k. It IS a beautiful car...and it IS available with the 2.0 Eco-Boost with 237 HP.
I recently saw one in a beautiful bright, deep blue color and was very impressed with it's looks, materials in the interior, and I am sure it drives fantastic.
The numbers look good on the 1.6 engine...average power (178) and best torque in the comparo (184), but it is only available in one lump at a certain RPM. The transmission has to work hard to keep it on boost...and that kills engines over time.
There is efficient and there is under-powered...a fine line to walk. I know MPG sells, and I know the EPA and CAFE requirements are tight...but there is NO WAY I would buy a 1.6 in a 3500 pound car. That's just me.
#16995 of 20187 Re: I still want one of these... [iluvmysephia1]
Oct 18, 2012 (3:58 am)
Nice car, but I don't see any advantage of getting one over some of the current models, such as the new downsized Accord (esp. the LX 6MT, a great value) or the Optima LX (also a great value, although no MT), except AWD for people who need that. And I'd go with the Impreza for that, for less money, better FE, and actually more rear leg room (and availability of a hatchback).
But the main reason I wouldn't touch a Kizashi is a very very small dealer network, and the real risk that Suzuki won't be selling cars in the USA much longer.