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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16949 of 20187 midsize sales in Sept.
Oct 02, 2012 (2:26 pm)
The midsize sales race for Sept and the year so far, according to the WSJ. Honda won't be able to make as many of the all new 2013s for a few months as they ramp up production, and so any chance of getting closer to the Camry won't come until 2013, if ever. As you can see, Ford has dropped off the list for now as they transition to the all new 2013 Fusion, but they are likely to be back next month. And the Passat should start making an appearance as VW's factory in TN gets up to full production of 170,000 a year by the end of 2012. Earlier this year I think the Altima was ahead of the Accord for a while, but now the Accord is in its customary #2 spot again. Camry has a huge lead, however, and simply cannot be caught this year. Next year? Probably not, but who knows....The Optima is in 5th place, perhaps for the first time? Sales have been strong....
Toyota Camry 34,252....314,788
Honda Accord 29,182....247,847
Nissan Altima 24,448....234,040
Hyundai Sonata 17,332....175,346
Kia Optima 14,304....114,728
#16950 of 20187 Re: midsize sales in Sept. [benjaminh]
Oct 02, 2012 (2:38 pm)
My poor Kia. Always last in something.
Hopefully they will be 115,000 GREAT cars.
#16951 of 20187 Re: midsize sales in Sept. [cski]
Oct 02, 2012 (3:42 pm)
It's not last at all. The Optima was ahead of the Fusion, the VW Passat, the Mazda 6, the Malibu, Chrysler 200, etc. Your baby is a big success who has entered the big leagues!!
#16952 of 20187 C/D's choice for best mid-sized family sedan
Oct 04, 2012 (7:04 am)
SPOILER ALERT! DO NOT READ FURTHER IF YOU WANT TO READ THE C/D REVIEW FOR YOURSELF.
The November C/D has a comparo of their current mid-sized champ, the Passat, vs. 3 new mid-sizers. Here's the order of finish:
4. Passat SE
3. Altima 2.5 SV
2. Fusion SE EcoBoost
1. Accord EX
Not a long reign on top for the Passat!
As C/D said: "... the big H is back."
I love the tag line for the Fusion: "Mr. Bond, your rental car is ready." One great thing about this new crop of mid-sizers is, whenever I can get upgraded to this class of car, it will be hard to go wrong (OK, maybe if it's a 200 or Avenger).
#16953 of 20187 Re: C/D's choice for best mid-sized family sedan [backy]
Oct 04, 2012 (7:08 am)
It's really interesting that C&D put the Passat 4th while MT put it in 1st place ahead of the Accord and Fusion.
#16954 of 20187 Re: C/D's choice for best mid-sized family sedan [akirby]
Oct 04, 2012 (7:23 am)
Which trims did MT review? Maybe they looked at the high-end cars where the Passat with its V6 would do better than the SE with the 2.5 I5.
Also maybe MT put more importance on things like rear seat room--C/D ragged on the Fusion about that.
Also one of C/D's knocks on the Passat was, "bland as dry toast". Uh... these are mid-sized family sedans, folks--not race cars. The Accord is pretty bland, too. And the Camry. But still fine cars for their intended audience.
#16955 of 20187 Re: C/D's choice for best mid-sized family sedan [backy]
Oct 04, 2012 (7:29 am)
Yeah, I'd say it's pretty much splitting hairs with that group of cars. I bet all of us on the forum could test the exact cars and most of us would have a different ranking.
#16956 of 20187 Re: C/D's choice for best mid-sized family sedan [dieselone]
Oct 04, 2012 (9:11 am)
Both tests were Passat SE 2.5L I believe. It just shows how subjective these comparison tests are.
It does seem clear that the Malibu and Camry need improvement to stay competitive, although that doesn't seem to be hurting Camry sales. Yet.
#16958 of 20187 Re: C/D's choice for best mid-sized family sedan [akirby]
Oct 04, 2012 (12:05 pm)
The Camry was just redesigned for 2012 and the Malibu for 2013! If they are in need of improvement to stay competitive... wow.
As you noted, Toyota doesn't have any problem selling Camrys. And Hertz et. al. need lots of mid-sized cars, so Chevy can sell a ton of Malibus there if needed for volume.
Hard to imagine that one of the oldest mid-sized family cars, once the new Mazda6 hits the streets, is the Sonata... a couple of years ago it was the latest and greatest. Fast times at Mid-Sized High.