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#16868 of 18209 IIHS small offset crash test by benjaminh

Sep 14, 2012 (7:16 am)

And yes, that's from Honda, but in the independent IIHS small offset crash test they recently tested several premium midsize cars. Almost all did poorly, including cars by Mercedes, Lexus, Lincoln, etc.
 
The two cars that passed were the Volvo S 60 and the Acura TL (which is based on the Accord).
 
The new 2013 Accord is improved over the previous design on which the Acura TL is based. Honda calls its system Advanced Compatibility Engineering. The new Accord uses the second generation of this, the ACEII.
 
This 3 minute video is worth watching. The rather poor results received by some premium cars like Lexus ("one of the worst vehicles in our test") are a bit shocking.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7xh-nYlnpo
 
The IIHS is expected to crash test midsize sedans like the 2012 and 2013 Accord, Altima, Fusion, Camry, Sonata, Optima, etc. in the next few weeks. I think most cars will not do well on this, with the probable exception of the Accord.

#16869 of 18209 Re: 2013 Accord [nyccarguy] by benjaminh

Sep 14, 2012 (6:19 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 14, 2012 5:52 am)
nycarguy: Thanks for easing my guilt a little. And I figure this new car is more my wife's car. When I get the replacement for the 2008 Accord, probably in about 4-5 years, I'll most likely get a manual for myself...If one is still offered that is.

#16870 of 18209 Re: 2013 Accord [nyccarguy] by benjaminh

Sep 14, 2012 (6:03 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 14, 2012 5:52 am)
nycarguy: That Prelude must be fun to drive! Now that's a rare car. It's almost a collector car, I'd say, at least at this point....

#16871 of 18209 2013 Fusion by akirby

Sep 14, 2012 (6:35 am)

Anybody considering a 2013 Fusion other than me?
 
I really wanted the 1.6L ecoboost auto start/stop engine but with Intelligent Access and push button start but alas the 1.6L is only offered in the SE and IA is only on the Titanium which only offers the 2.0. Even the hybrid doesn't get push button start which I don't understand. So it will be a 2.0 Titanium for me fully loaded. Or maybe a MKZ but I'm not sure I can justify the added cost.
 
The 1.6L ecoboost with auto start/stop gets 26 city/37 highway on regular fuel. The hybrid gets 47/44. And the plug in hybrid version should be out in a few months.

#16872 of 18209 Re: 2013 Accord [benjaminh] by nyccarguy

Sep 14, 2012 (9:40 am)

Replying to: benjaminh (Sep 14, 2012 6:19 am)
In reality, the ONLY reason to buy a car with a manual transmission is because you truly LOVE the connection it gives you with the car. Years ago when most autos were 3 & 4 speeds, then a similarly equipped car with a stick would be faster & get better mileage. We've all got significant others & traffic issues to deal with.

#16873 of 18209 Re: 2013 Fusion [akirby] by rayainsw

Sep 14, 2012 (9:56 am)

Replying to: akirby (Sep 14, 2012 6:35 am)
Hi AKirby!
I like the styling of the new Fusion.
No dealer near me has one in stock,
but I may drive a Titanium before choosing...
Wish they offered a V6...
- Ray
Say a truck load of 2013 Accords this AM -
lok to me as good as they did in pictures & vids...
[ And a V6 option is offered.]

#16874 of 18209 Re: 2013 Fusion [rayainsw] by akirby

Sep 14, 2012 (10:00 am)

Replying to: rayainsw (Sep 14, 2012 9:56 am)
Hey Ray - long time no type.
 
The 2013s haven't started shipping yet - should be any day now. The 2.0L Ecoboost should be very close to the same performance as the current 3.5L - maybe even a bit better.
 
The MKZ will get the 3.7L V6 if you just have to have the extra power.
 
At least you can still get the manual with the 1.6L EB. But not the 2.0L EB or the 3.7L in the MKZ.

#16875 of 18209 Re: 2013 Accord [benjaminh] by backy

Sep 14, 2012 (10:36 am)

Replying to: benjaminh (Sep 13, 2012 11:53 pm)
But even in 6th with the manual you'd be running at maybe 2400 rpm.
 
Not if Honda designed the Accord's 6MT for fuel efficiency. For example, on a Mazda3 Skyactiv 6MT I tested, it was turning at only ~2000 rpm 65 mph in 6th. And it's a smaller, lower-power engine than the Accord has, so I expect the Accord would do better... if 6th is truly an overdrive on the Accord.
 
If the Accord's MT really does rev that high, then yeah, no way I'd go with that, would have to get the CVT. That's the problem I have with the new Impreza--MT is way too noisy/high revving compared to the CVT. But it's only a 5MT.

#16876 of 18209 Re: 2013 Accord [benjaminh] by nyccarguy

Sep 14, 2012 (11:04 am)

Replying to: benjaminh (Sep 14, 2012 6:03 am)
My Prelude is LOADS of fun to drive. It was featured here on inside line's Readers Rides segment a few months back. I bought it brand new as a leftover on 4/27/02. It was my daily driver for the 1st 9 years of its life. I only drive it on beautiful, sunny, days & it still brings a smile to my face. Current mileage is over 147,000.

#16877 of 18209 Re: 2013 Accord [nyccarguy] by benjaminh

Sep 14, 2012 (11:39 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 14, 2012 11:04 am)
nycarguy: I didn't even know about the Readers Rides section. Thanks. Found your page. That is a very nice 'lude!
 
One of my first Honda memories is from 1979. I was a freshman in hs, and a senior I knew with some money had a Prelude of that year and we went for a ride. Wow. Tiny, but the precision of the engineering floored me. At that moment I realized that Hondas could be something special...

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