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#16866 of 18204 Re: Camry, Accord, and the Korean models...... [cski] by benjaminh

Sep 14, 2012 (6:02 am)

Replying to: cski (Sep 14, 2012 4:58 am)
cski wrote:
"2) The reason the pillars are so thick on ALL the late model sedans is because the federal government demands it for the ever increasing roll-over and crash protection standards."
 
Good post overall. But this part is, I believe, incorrect. New higher grades of steel make thinner pillars possible while still *increasing* the strength of the car. It's not a structural problem, it's a *style* problem.
 
If what you write is true, how is is that the Accord, both the current generation as well as the all new 2013 Accord, get or are expected to achieve top scores in all safety and crash tests while still having *excellent* visibility? I'm not try to annoy or argue with you needlessly, I'm just trying to give you more information for what I think is an honest mistake you are making in that one sentence there.
 
Here's a little on the new Accord to give you additional info on this:
 
"High-Strength Steel
The 2013 Accord unit-body uses 55.8-percent high-tensile steel, more than in any previous Accord. In addition, 17.2-percent of the steel is now grade 780, 980 and 1,500 – extremely high grades that have never before been used in any Accord. This contributes to higher body rigidity and reduced weight, which directly benefits ride and handling, interior quietness, performance and efficiency and long-term durability.
 
The measured improvements in rigidity are significant. In static tests, bending rigidity is up 34 percent and torsional rigidity is up 42-percent compared to the previous-generation Accord. In dynamic tests, front lateral rigidity is up 16 percent and rear vertical rigidity is up 39-percent....
 
Collision Safety
Collision safety capability is enhanced in the 2013 Accord, thanks to the newly revised Advanced Compatibility Engineering™ (ACE™) body structure, while the more extensive use of high-tensile steel allows protection to be provided with less weight. While official testing had not been completed at press time, internal Honda results indicate that the Accord will earn 5 Stars (the top rating) in federal NHTSA crash testing, along with Good crash ratings (the top level) and a TOP SAFETY PICK rating from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS).
Projected test results include:
NHSTA
Projected Rating
Overall Vehicle Score
5 Star
Overall Frontal Crash Safety rating
5 Star
Overall Side Crash Safety rating
5 Star
Rollover rating
5 Star
 
IIHS
Projected Rating
Frontal collision rating
Good
Side collision rating
Good
Neck protection rating
Good
Roof strength rating
Good
Narrow offset frontal collision rating
Good
 
http://www.hondanews.com/channels/honda-automobiles-accord/releases/2013-honda-a- - - ccord-safety

#16867 of 18204 Re: 2013 Accord [benjaminh] by nyccarguy

Sep 14, 2012 (5:52 am)

Replying to: benjaminh (Sep 13, 2012 11:53 pm)
I commend you for sticking to your guns & buying manual transmissions for so long. You even went as far as special ordering your '08 Accord with a stick. You've done all you can to "save the manuals" & shouldn't be ashamed for buying an Accord with a CVT.
 
I have 1 car of 3 that's a stick, my 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH.

#16868 of 18204 IIHS small offset crash test by benjaminh

Sep 14, 2012 (7:16 am)

And yes, that's from Honda, but in the independent IIHS small offset crash test they recently tested several premium midsize cars. Almost all did poorly, including cars by Mercedes, Lexus, Lincoln, etc.
 
The two cars that passed were the Volvo S 60 and the Acura TL (which is based on the Accord).
 
The new 2013 Accord is improved over the previous design on which the Acura TL is based. Honda calls its system Advanced Compatibility Engineering. The new Accord uses the second generation of this, the ACEII.
 
This 3 minute video is worth watching. The rather poor results received by some premium cars like Lexus ("one of the worst vehicles in our test") are a bit shocking.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7xh-nYlnpo
 
The IIHS is expected to crash test midsize sedans like the 2012 and 2013 Accord, Altima, Fusion, Camry, Sonata, Optima, etc. in the next few weeks. I think most cars will not do well on this, with the probable exception of the Accord.

#16869 of 18204 Re: 2013 Accord [nyccarguy] by benjaminh

Sep 14, 2012 (6:19 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 14, 2012 5:52 am)
nycarguy: Thanks for easing my guilt a little. And I figure this new car is more my wife's car. When I get the replacement for the 2008 Accord, probably in about 4-5 years, I'll most likely get a manual for myself...If one is still offered that is.

#16870 of 18204 Re: 2013 Accord [nyccarguy] by benjaminh

Sep 14, 2012 (6:03 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 14, 2012 5:52 am)
nycarguy: That Prelude must be fun to drive! Now that's a rare car. It's almost a collector car, I'd say, at least at this point....

#16871 of 18204 2013 Fusion by akirby

Sep 14, 2012 (6:35 am)

Anybody considering a 2013 Fusion other than me?
 
I really wanted the 1.6L ecoboost auto start/stop engine but with Intelligent Access and push button start but alas the 1.6L is only offered in the SE and IA is only on the Titanium which only offers the 2.0. Even the hybrid doesn't get push button start which I don't understand. So it will be a 2.0 Titanium for me fully loaded. Or maybe a MKZ but I'm not sure I can justify the added cost.
 
The 1.6L ecoboost with auto start/stop gets 26 city/37 highway on regular fuel. The hybrid gets 47/44. And the plug in hybrid version should be out in a few months.

#16872 of 18204 Re: 2013 Accord [benjaminh] by nyccarguy

Sep 14, 2012 (9:40 am)

Replying to: benjaminh (Sep 14, 2012 6:19 am)
In reality, the ONLY reason to buy a car with a manual transmission is because you truly LOVE the connection it gives you with the car. Years ago when most autos were 3 & 4 speeds, then a similarly equipped car with a stick would be faster & get better mileage. We've all got significant others & traffic issues to deal with.

#16873 of 18204 Re: 2013 Fusion [akirby] by rayainsw

Sep 14, 2012 (9:56 am)

Replying to: akirby (Sep 14, 2012 6:35 am)
Hi AKirby!
I like the styling of the new Fusion.
No dealer near me has one in stock,
but I may drive a Titanium before choosing...
Wish they offered a V6...
- Ray
Say a truck load of 2013 Accords this AM -
lok to me as good as they did in pictures & vids...
[ And a V6 option is offered.]

#16874 of 18204 Re: 2013 Fusion [rayainsw] by akirby

Sep 14, 2012 (10:00 am)

Replying to: rayainsw (Sep 14, 2012 9:56 am)
Hey Ray - long time no type.
 
The 2013s haven't started shipping yet - should be any day now. The 2.0L Ecoboost should be very close to the same performance as the current 3.5L - maybe even a bit better.
 
The MKZ will get the 3.7L V6 if you just have to have the extra power.
 
At least you can still get the manual with the 1.6L EB. But not the 2.0L EB or the 3.7L in the MKZ.

#16875 of 18204 Re: 2013 Accord [benjaminh] by backy

Sep 14, 2012 (10:36 am)

Replying to: benjaminh (Sep 13, 2012 11:53 pm)
But even in 6th with the manual you'd be running at maybe 2400 rpm.
 
Not if Honda designed the Accord's 6MT for fuel efficiency. For example, on a Mazda3 Skyactiv 6MT I tested, it was turning at only ~2000 rpm 65 mph in 6th. And it's a smaller, lower-power engine than the Accord has, so I expect the Accord would do better... if 6th is truly an overdrive on the Accord.
 
If the Accord's MT really does rev that high, then yeah, no way I'd go with that, would have to get the CVT. That's the problem I have with the new Impreza--MT is way too noisy/high revving compared to the CVT. But it's only a 5MT.

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