Last post on Dec 06, 2013 at 4:47 AM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16847 of 20194 Camry should be called Chintzy....
Sep 13, 2012 (5:49 am)
I personally don't know how Toyota stays in business. They have legendary reliability, but I have a relative at a local Toyota franchise and he see's just as many Camry's with major problems as any other brands midsize sedan.
I think the new Camry just looks cheap. From the fake chrome around the fog-lights to the fake aluminum trim and onward towards the tacked-on looking lower body kit it just looks cheap.
The interior is inferior to even the cheaper Hyundai sedans. The fake aluminum trim can be scraped off with a fingernail, and the material is squishy. Squishy fake aluminum. OMG. Then there is the short warranty.....by 50,000 miles! That's a lot of miles unprotected.
Finally, they want to sell you a stripper LE for $26k. The Accord in this comparo is clearly the winner here, and honestly I would rate the Camry dead last after all the other competitors. I would buy a '13 Altima over the Camry for example.
I do have to admit that I am fully smitten by my 2012 Optima EX. I bought it last December and it just looks and drives beautiful. (the 2013 Accord was not out last year so I only had the older model to compare).
So, in closing, I would drive the Accord, Sonata, Altima, and Optima and choose the best one out of the four.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
#16848 of 20194 Re: Camry should be called Chintzy.... [cski]
Sep 13, 2012 (6:31 am)
toyota has been doing that for years (cheapening the cars). Corolla, Rav4, Camry.
but, in the business, once you have a reputation cemented, it takes a long time to change perception (that goes for good or bad). Ask Caddy!
and plenty of people still buy because they know it will just be gas and go, no involvement at any level, reliable transportation with good gas mileage.
#16849 of 20194 Re: Camry should be called Chintzy.... [cski]
Sep 13, 2012 (9:27 am)
Yeah, I think the Optima, Sonata, and Altima are impressive. The one problem I have with those cars is that they don't have very good visibility. The Optima is very good when it comes to its engine, features, quality, style, etc., but those very thick rear pillars from what I've read make for poor rear visibility.
#16850 of 20194 Consumer Reports gives early positive review
Sep 13, 2012 (9:29 am)
of the 2013 Accord. This is significant esp. because of how negative they were about the 2012 Civic. Here's the Consumer Reports thumbs up report on the 2013 Accord video:
"Honda is playing to win when it comes to feature content. All Accords have a USB connection, Bluetooth, and, most impressively, a backup camera. You also only get satellite radio on EX and higher trim levels...
Honda is also incorporating a lot of electronic safety features into the latest Accord. Uplevel models come standard with forward-collision warning, as well as a unique feature that uses a camera to show what is in your passenger-side blind spot before you change lanes...
This redesigned Accord comes not a minute too soon. Almost every major player in this segment has been redesigned--or soon will be. It will be very interesting to see how all of these sedans stack up. To find out, we'll be buying Accords of our own when they go on sale next week. For now, enjoy our video for other first impressions."
#16851 of 20194 Re: Camry should be called Chintzy.... [benjaminh]
Sep 13, 2012 (10:21 am)
I totally agree. My Optima has a HUGE blind spot, and the EX did not come with camera's to help me out.
I have almost nailed a passing car twice so I now keep my head on a swivel when passing. Also, it is tough to parallel park.
I guess that is what happens when cars get lower and have a fast-back type C pillars like sports cars.
If I had to buy the car again I would have added the cameras AND a stupid height adjustment on the passenger seat.
#16852 of 20194 Re: Camry should be called Chintzy.... [cski]
Sep 13, 2012 (10:24 am)
When you drive a 15-20 years old Toyota/Honda, you know what they are made of. When you see a 5 years old Hyundai, you also know what they are made of. When you can see beyond the appearances and see through the pretenders, you show what you are made up.
#16853 of 20194 Re: Camry should be called Chintzy.... [cski]
Sep 13, 2012 (10:47 am)
cski: Thanks for that brutally honest report. Wow. I do think the Optima looks good, but I do not think that style is worth risking your life or the life of someone else. Honestly I think car stylists who do that should be fired. And otherwise I like KIA as a company--reliable, many are made in USA, etc.
The Accord may be a little boring to some (although I think it's sleek and elegant), but it has best-in-class visibility all around. And that's even before the cameras and lane watch systems they now have...
But even Honda once in a while designs a vehicle with poor rear visibility. I hear the new CR-V is quite poor.
But at least they got the Accord right!
cski: Would you ever consider trading in your Optima on an Accord, or now that you've made the purchase and otherwise really like the car do you feel you're stuck with the poor visibility for the time being?
#16854 of 20194 blind spots
Sep 13, 2012 (11:13 am)
There is no such thing as a blind spot if you adjust your mirrors correctly AND turn your head. When a car leaves my center mirror it appears in my side mirror. I also turn my head as an added precaution.
#16855 of 20194 Re: blind spots [akirby]
Sep 13, 2012 (11:57 am)
Do you think 100% of the people in these midsize cars with poor rear visibility (Sonata, Optima, new 2013 Altima, new 2013 Fusion, etc.) adjust their mirrors perfectly, use them perfectly, and turn around to look enough too?
#16856 of 20194 Re: blind spots [benjaminh]
Sep 13, 2012 (12:01 pm)
Of course not, but how is that the vehicle's fault?