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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16843 of 20237 Accord vs. Nissan next?
Sep 12, 2012 (3:09 pm)
Some are saying that the Accord's new "Earth Dreams" CVT with "G-shift" performs and feels better than Nissan's CVT for the Altima—athough right now it looks like the Altima edges out the Accord when it comes to hwy mpg. Some Honda engineers seem to be wondering if an EPA *retest* of that 38 hwy number that Nissan submitted to the EPA might be in order. Honda's internal testing seems to show that the Accord and Altima get nearly identical mpg when run with a CVT. But the EPA hwy ratings right now stand at 36 for Accord and 38 for Altima. Some are recalling that BMW had to lower its hwy number on its new 3 series by 2 mpg last year when the EPA did its own test.
Anyway, interesting stuff in this segment. The competition is white hot, but it seems maybe Honda is taking the lead in terms of all around performance, quality, and features....
"2013 Honda Accord: Attention To G-Forces Yields A Better CVT"
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1079054_2013-honda-accord-attention-to-g-fo- - - - - - rces-yields-a-better-cvt
"....While that itself impressed us, what's the most noteworthy in the Accord's CVT is how quickly it can respond and bring revs up when needed. For instance, a number of CVTs (including the one in the 2013 Nissan Altima, surprisingly) will feel completely flat-footed and off their game if you roll around a corner at 15 mph with your foot off the gas and then accelerate at full throttle. The time to tap into full thrust is delayed for a surprising time. But in the Accord, it very quickly raises revs all the way up to the Accord's 6,600-rpm redline. Pull off the same test, dipping into half throttle out of the corner, and it very quickly finds the right ratio for the throttle opening—feeling a lot like downshifting and with no slow, muddled ramp-up.
How did Honda achieve this far better (we think) CVT calibration when rivals like Nissan have been working at it for so long? According to the project leader, Honda's CVT isn't much different in the mechanical design, but Honda put a lot of time into oil pressure control and electrical systems, along with the control software...."
#16844 of 20237 Re: Accord vs Camry, round 1 [benjaminh]
Sep 12, 2012 (4:21 pm)
Wow, that new Accord looks like the 2012 Hyundai Genesis.
#16845 of 20237 Re: Accord vs Camry, round 1 [benjaminh]
Sep 12, 2012 (4:58 pm)
Major issues with last generation (2008) Accord:
- Road noises!!!: seems to be addressed, finally (after 10+ years...)
- sloppy brakes: brake pads that do NOT last much longer than 20K miles (jury still out on the new one)
- slooow and bad real-world MPG: seems to be addressed
- VCM: only for V6
If the new CVT proves to be durable and without major issues (Honda has probably the worse auto transmission history among all major players), I think Honda can finally be proud after quite some time.
#16847 of 20237 Camry should be called Chintzy....
Sep 13, 2012 (5:49 am)
I personally don't know how Toyota stays in business. They have legendary reliability, but I have a relative at a local Toyota franchise and he see's just as many Camry's with major problems as any other brands midsize sedan.
I think the new Camry just looks cheap. From the fake chrome around the fog-lights to the fake aluminum trim and onward towards the tacked-on looking lower body kit it just looks cheap.
The interior is inferior to even the cheaper Hyundai sedans. The fake aluminum trim can be scraped off with a fingernail, and the material is squishy. Squishy fake aluminum. OMG. Then there is the short warranty.....by 50,000 miles! That's a lot of miles unprotected.
Finally, they want to sell you a stripper LE for $26k. The Accord in this comparo is clearly the winner here, and honestly I would rate the Camry dead last after all the other competitors. I would buy a '13 Altima over the Camry for example.
I do have to admit that I am fully smitten by my 2012 Optima EX. I bought it last December and it just looks and drives beautiful. (the 2013 Accord was not out last year so I only had the older model to compare).
So, in closing, I would drive the Accord, Sonata, Altima, and Optima and choose the best one out of the four.
Thats my 2 cents worth.
#16848 of 20237 Re: Camry should be called Chintzy.... [cski]
Sep 13, 2012 (6:31 am)
toyota has been doing that for years (cheapening the cars). Corolla, Rav4, Camry.
but, in the business, once you have a reputation cemented, it takes a long time to change perception (that goes for good or bad). Ask Caddy!
and plenty of people still buy because they know it will just be gas and go, no involvement at any level, reliable transportation with good gas mileage.
#16849 of 20237 Re: Camry should be called Chintzy.... [cski]
Sep 13, 2012 (9:27 am)
Yeah, I think the Optima, Sonata, and Altima are impressive. The one problem I have with those cars is that they don't have very good visibility. The Optima is very good when it comes to its engine, features, quality, style, etc., but those very thick rear pillars from what I've read make for poor rear visibility.
#16850 of 20237 Consumer Reports gives early positive review
Sep 13, 2012 (9:29 am)
of the 2013 Accord. This is significant esp. because of how negative they were about the 2012 Civic. Here's the Consumer Reports thumbs up report on the 2013 Accord video:
"Honda is playing to win when it comes to feature content. All Accords have a USB connection, Bluetooth, and, most impressively, a backup camera. You also only get satellite radio on EX and higher trim levels...
Honda is also incorporating a lot of electronic safety features into the latest Accord. Uplevel models come standard with forward-collision warning, as well as a unique feature that uses a camera to show what is in your passenger-side blind spot before you change lanes...
This redesigned Accord comes not a minute too soon. Almost every major player in this segment has been redesigned--or soon will be. It will be very interesting to see how all of these sedans stack up. To find out, we'll be buying Accords of our own when they go on sale next week. For now, enjoy our video for other first impressions."
#16851 of 20237 Re: Camry should be called Chintzy.... [benjaminh]
Sep 13, 2012 (10:21 am)
I totally agree. My Optima has a HUGE blind spot, and the EX did not come with camera's to help me out.
I have almost nailed a passing car twice so I now keep my head on a swivel when passing. Also, it is tough to parallel park.
I guess that is what happens when cars get lower and have a fast-back type C pillars like sports cars.
If I had to buy the car again I would have added the cameras AND a stupid height adjustment on the passenger seat.
#16852 of 20237 Re: Camry should be called Chintzy.... [cski]
Sep 13, 2012 (10:24 am)
When you drive a 15-20 years old Toyota/Honda, you know what they are made of. When you see a 5 years old Hyundai, you also know what they are made of. When you can see beyond the appearances and see through the pretenders, you show what you are made up.