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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16782 of 20218 Re: My take.. [dc_driver]
Apr 17, 2012 (1:52 pm)
I also test drove ten new 2012 mid sized cars in late Feb & early Mar before settling on a Camry XLE. Close runner ups were Sub Legacy, Passat TDI diesel (can't get 'em especially premium models 4-6 mon wait) and here too the Optima EX w/premium pkg were flying off the lot (drove one once, it fit the bill despite a smaller interior but they never could get another one in stock). Did not look at a Altima due to prior bad experience w/a rental. Chrysler 200, Buick Lacrosse, Hy Sonata, Chevy old style Malibu, and Honda Accord also missing too many things we wanted like big trunk, b/u camera, dual/auto climate ctl. I was ok with the Fusion but wife didn't like it at all compared to the Camry. In fact I am not "dinging" any of those other cars, they all had pluses/minuses and half will be doing refreshes in the next year so this sub-set of the market is wildly competitive !
So far with over 1500 mis on our new Camry in a month we are still very impressed with the interior room, quiet, and features plus the MPGs are above the EPA figures. There are a few minor design misses compared to our many years of driving mostly Chryslers, but not enough to ding the car about (small side mirrors, auto lites don't come on w/wipers), especially if the reputed reliability holds up since we bought this to be a 10 yr 150,000 mi "road car".
#16783 of 20218 Replying to dc driver
Apr 17, 2012 (5:14 pm)
Don't worry about your Camry XLE hybrid lasting 150,000 miles. My 2004 Prius has over 196,000 miles and is going strong - it's boring meaning no major maintenance problems; no belts, no hoses, no transmission service, no brakes, no shocks, no CV joints, no nothing except a water pump last month (forgot two light bulbs & a sunvisor). MPG is still great.
#16784 of 20218 Re: Replying to dc driver [gene84]
Apr 18, 2012 (4:44 am)
If you have 196,000 miles on a 2004 vehicle and you haven't changed the belts or hoses you're just asking to be stranded.
#16785 of 20218 Re: Replying to dc driver [akirby]
Apr 18, 2012 (5:21 am)
especially odd if you just had the hoses off to do the water pump. Same labor, and hoses don't cost that much.
#16786 of 20218 Replying to dc driver
Apr 18, 2012 (6:11 am)
It would seem that if a Prius was the car-equivalent of a loaf of bread, it's not only sliced, but homemade and hot.. fresh outta the oven.
Although..I guess the metaphor breaks down.. in that one lasts and the other doesn't.
It's hard to imagine Toyota getting this car so right on so many levels so early in its life. I guess it's not nearly as complex a build as I had presumed and obviously built with stellar components.
Too bad the same can't be said for all generations of the Camry. Specifically, the one previous to the new one.
#16787 of 20218 2004 Prius Has One Belt & One Hose
Apr 18, 2012 (7:00 am)
Sorry. I forgot that the 2004 Prius has one short belt & one short hose - newer ones have none. Pumps used for cooling, power steering, & brakes, etc. are all electric. This is the future of all cars and eventually all ground transportation. Railroads & large mining dump trucks have been using this for decades.
#16788 of 20218 Re: 2004 Prius Has One Belt & One Hose [gene84]
Apr 18, 2012 (8:16 am)
Perhaps, but I think the Prius (or Camry hybrid etc) could be even better if offered with a diesel option for those who prefer the efficiency of an oil burner as those very railroads and mining dump trucks use. A diesel option could especially suit a person who uses their Prius often filled with people (heavy loads) or one who lives in very hilly terrain or climates chilly enough that battery efficiency or loads on it are affected.
As a Prius owner, do you often frequent Prius forums that chat about the car?
If so and given the general content if they discuss any weaknesses with the car, in your opinion are you confident that the newer Priuses (to me sounds less silly than Prii) are as well built/dependable as the 2004's? What are the most commonly mentioned weaknesses?
As someone who has done all my own mechanical work over the years, no matter how involved it might become, I admit to being intimidated by a hybrid in that way. It is one thing to re and re an entire component at a potential substantial cost for the part, but quite another to repair that component if possible. The dependability of your Prius sounds almost too good to be true. Maybe it is indeed one of the world's better kept secrets?
Apr 19, 2012 (1:46 am)
The Prius is used a lot as a taxi in Canada. I rode in one that had c. 500,000 kilometers on it. The driver said that maintenance issues had been minimal, and far less than any car he had previously had. Because of that and the high mpg it was a pure money maker for him....
The original Prius doesn't seem to be used as a taxi in the US, but perhaps the Prius V will catch on for that here.
#16790 of 20218 car sales April 2012
May 01, 2012 (4:53 pm)
Toyota Camry / Solara 36,820 20.9 142,225 32.6
Honda Accord 35,385 25.6 96,517 2.3
Toyota Prius 25,168 101.7 86,027 55.7
Toyota Corolla / Matrix 24,804 2.4 93,232 -7.6
Honda Civic 24,423 -8.8 101,592 10.7
Honda CR-V 23,627 9.0 98,214 24.1
Chevrolet Malibu 21,906 -11.3 80,456 9.5
Ford Fusion 21,610 2.0 85,559 -0.8
Hyundai Sonata 20,521 -5.6 75,716 2.9
Ford Focus 19,425 12.5 85,468 57.3
Chevrolet Equinox 18,282 7.1 69,859 15.9
Chevrolet Cruze 18,205 -27.6 75,288 -0.1
Ford Escape 16,986 -20.0 75,590 -2.1
Hyundai Elantra 16,836 -23.8 61,237 -3.3
Nissan Altima 16,239 -5.8 112,599 29.7
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