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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16768 of 18227 your guess for midsize sales for 2012
Apr 08, 2012 (2:08 pm)
This is for the calendar year, not the model year. Here's my guess
Camry : 450,000
Sonata: 230,000 (10k higher than my guess of just ten minutes ago!)
These cars do offer amazing bang for the buck...
In 2013 I think VW will be joining this list with their Passat. They put an ad in my newspaper way up here in Louisville for jobs because they are hiring for a third shift. Once that VW factory is going full tilt I think VW will be able to sell maybe 200,000 Passats a year....
#16769 of 18227 Re: your guess for midsize sales for 2012 [benjaminh]
Apr 08, 2012 (2:10 pm)
Have you seen the new Accord? I saw some pics of the "very close" concept and I was not impressed and the website blogger thought the same. If they don't step up their designs they are going no place. Fusion will be huge I believe and is coming this summer, probably a few months before the new Accord which will give it a head start on the year. Add in the huge fire sale on the 2012 Fusions because of the new model and I don't thing the Accord will surpass it. But I see you have them close which it just may.
#16770 of 18227 Re: your guess for midsize sales for 2012 [benjaminh]
Apr 08, 2012 (4:15 pm)
Nissan is knocking over $3,500 off the sticker price of new 2012 Altimas in my area. That has to be bumping their 2012 sales figures way up.
Well equipped (moon-roof, dual zone climate control, alloys, fog lamps, etc) 2.5 S Altimas with the CVT sticker for over $27k and are advertised at $23,400. That's moving a lot of cars!
#16771 of 18227 Re: your guess for midsize sales for 2012 [m6user]
Apr 08, 2012 (6:21 pm)
m6user: I have not seen those pix of the Accord you mention. Bummer. I like Honda, but design after design has been a big let down for about 4 or 5 years now...
Probably should reverse that....
#16772 of 18227 Re: your guess for midsize sales for 2012 [dodgeman07]
Apr 08, 2012 (6:21 pm)
24k for a loaded Altima....that's a lotta car for the money. But I really like how the 2013s look. I'd wait...
#16774 of 18227 Re: your guess for midsize sales for 2012 [dodgeman07]
Apr 09, 2012 (6:04 am)
dodgeman: Nissan following the old GM and now Chrysler pricing model. MSRP supersized with $5000 rebate/cashback to use the ole deal pitch.
Net transaction price ends up close to similar model with 6-10% off of MSRP. Guess the real way to buy value is net cost vs. features, quality, value and trade in prospects down the road that reflects all the other factors. We have some great car choices for relatively cheap prices. Coupled with our policy of cheap gas to maximize use and sell more cars, we really have it made - for now!
#16775 of 18227 2012 Optima EX vs Sonata, Mazda 6, Camry, Fusion, Accord and Passat
Apr 11, 2012 (8:40 am)
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Apr 14, 2012 (9:39 pm)
I spent numerous days driving lots of cars. Ford (Focus and Fusion), Mazda (3), Toyota (Camry V6 SE), and the Hyunda (Genesis Coupe, Sonata Turbo models).. Current car is a 2006 Mazda 3 bought new with zero issues. Had a very bad experience with a Nissan Altima SE previously (mechanical issues that Nissan would not standby), and ruled out VW to similar bad history with reliability and customer service. As a current happy Honda Odyssey owner, I was not really impressed with the Acccord at all just looking at it and did not bother test driving based on the prices I was seeing.
For me, I really liked the Hyndai Sonata. The fit and finish were excellent, and the turbo with the SE suspension and tuning is fun to drive. Lots of features for under $23k, and a great warranty. Great gas mileage. On paper the Sonata turbo has almost 130 more horsepower than my Mazda 3 and gets better gas mileage! Nothing not to not like, and the exterior styling is very masculine and attractive.
I really wanted to test drive the Kia Optima EX turbo, but there were literally none near me in stock. They are flying off the lots. My dealer had to get the SE 2.0T from another dealer because they sold them all this week. There were several Sonata Limited turbos, and I did drive one, steering was just too loose for me. The SE has much more engaging steering, but you definitely have a firmer ride and feel the road more, but I prefer that to loose and numb.