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#16651 of 18175 Re: 2012 Camry [m6user] by dodgeman07

Nov 01, 2011 (5:48 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Nov 01, 2011 3:29 pm)
m6user: The 10% ethanol fuel hurts my mileage too. In the past I ran it and lost 1 or 2mpg versus 100% gasoline.
 
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I was committed to buying a domestic make this time. My prior new car purchases include: Honda, Audi, Chrysler, and Ford. This is my first new GM product.
 
Pertinent to this discussion, I also test drove a 2011 Chevrolet Malibu LT and 2011 Ford Fusion SE. Both of these cars drove well with the edge going to the Malibu for road feel and handling. The Fusion looked better to my eyes. Both need am all-new 2013 model asap. It was clear these two designs were 5 years old.

#16652 of 18175 2012 Camry Hybrid by m6user

Nov 15, 2011 (10:58 am)

Been reading a couple reviews of the new Camry Hybrid and noticed some things that seem interesting. One of which:
 
Camry Hybrid 0-60 time = 7.2 secs
Sonata 8.2 secs, Sonata Turbo 6.7 secs
Also, I believe the Jetta TDI is around 8.5 secs or something like that.
(numbers were taken from a couple of different sources so they may not match up with every single review out there)
 
That's only 1/2 second slower to 60 than a Sonata Turbo. Sounds pretty good for a hybrid that will average about 40mpg per gal on reg unleaded day in day out.
 
Now I realized that 0-60 times are not what turns on most midsize buyers but many, myself included, like a little pep on occassion. I use those times mostly for relative comparison. I just assumed hybrids were really pokey but these numbers are kind of eye opening. The only hybrid I've driven is an older Prius and didn't like much about the drive at all. But based on what I've been reading about the new Camry Hybrid, I may have to test drive it.
 
It's rated at about 43cty/39hwy and with diesel prices at about a 60 cent premium right now in the Chicago area it seems to be enticing. I know a couple of others on here have mentioned it as a potential value in the midsize class and from what I've read I would have to agree.

#16653 of 18175 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid [m6user] by backy

Nov 15, 2011 (1:01 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Nov 15, 2011 10:58 am)
It helps to compare performance numbers from the same source, as each mag seems to have its own methodology. For example, InsideLine says the Camry Hybrid (rated at 200 total hp) will do 0-60 in 7.6 secs. They also said the 2011 Sonata GLS (198 hp) came in at 7.7 secs in their tests (w/o rollout). That seems reasonable given the cars are about the same size (I would guess the hybrid is a little heavier than the Sonata) and power rating. InsideLine also got 6.6 secs 0-60 on the Sonata 2.0T. Others have reported as low as 5.8 secs. (Those road-burners would probably get a better number in the Camry hybrid too.)
 
YAMV.

#16654 of 18175 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid [backy] by m6user

Nov 15, 2011 (1:23 pm)

Replying to: backy (Nov 15, 2011 1:01 pm)
Yeah, I did a quick google search compare just to get an approximate idea but as you've pointed out the spread can be somewhat substantial between testers. A couple of the times were from the same mag, Motor Trend I believe, and the other I think was Edmunds. All in all though my point was that the Camry Hybrid was quicker than I would have thought and is comparable to the normally aspirated offerings in the midsize class. Stopping distance witth regenerative brakes were pretty close to the others as well.

#16655 of 18175 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid [m6user] by akirby

Nov 15, 2011 (1:26 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Nov 15, 2011 1:23 pm)
That's the beauty of electric motors - instant torque. There is no delay waiting for RPM to build up to get usable torque.

#16656 of 18175 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid [akirby] by m6user

Nov 15, 2011 (1:34 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Nov 15, 2011 1:26 pm)
Yes, I'm sure that is helping greatly as the hybrid does weigh a little more because of the battery. It seems Toyota and others are starting to chip away at my resistance when it comes to hybrids. They increased the trunk size on the Camry by a couple of cubes which at least puts it close the size of the other midsizers, 13' something I think. They've made the brakes so they aren't so funky. Tire tech is coming around so that you don't feel like you're riding on steel rims when you get the low rolling resistance tires. Don't know if I'm ready yet but they are getting closer to the look, feel and performance of regular sedans which is pretty good IMO.

#16657 of 18175 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid [akirby] by bhmr59

Nov 15, 2011 (1:58 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Nov 15, 2011 1:26 pm)
Anyone who has ever driven an electiric golf cart compared to a gasoline golf cart, knows the the instant torque is much greater in the electric version.

#16658 of 18175 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid [m6user] by akirby

Nov 15, 2011 (2:45 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Nov 15, 2011 1:34 pm)
I hear great things are in store for the 2013 Fusion hybrid, which would be amazing considering how far ahead it already is.

#16659 of 18175 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid [akirby] by m6user

Nov 15, 2011 (4:02 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Nov 15, 2011 2:45 pm)
which would be amazing considering how far ahead it already is.
 
What do you mean it(Fusion Hybrid) is so far ahead? It costs thousands more than the 2012 Camry Hybrid and the 2011 Sonata Hybrid. It gets substantially less MPG than the Camry and around the same overall as the Sonata. I don't call that "far ahead" at all. Maybe the new one will be but the current one...No.

#16660 of 18175 Re: 2012 Camry Hybrid [akirby] by backy

Nov 15, 2011 (4:02 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Nov 15, 2011 2:45 pm)
In what ways is the Fusion hybrid "far ahead" of the 2012 Camry hybrid?

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