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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16585 of 20228 Re: 2012 Camry [sandman_6472]
Oct 27, 2011 (5:36 am)
Rented the 2011 Camry. I should actually clarify something. Family was looking for two cars, one for me and one for my son. We were all over the place in terms of car dealers and during the preceeding months rented Sonota, G37, CTS, Camry and Corolla.
I was unimpressed with a loaded Honda, walked in walked out. Looked at the 2011 Camry for me and my son but couldn't decide.
When we stopped at the Ford dealer looked at the 2012 Focus. Took it for a test drive and knew it was a winner for my son. Was unimpressed with Fusion, Taurus, MKS. So bought the Focus, which I thought was clearly better than the Corolla and Civic.
I ended up buying the G because I wanted an ELLPS with a rear-wheel drive bias and all of the goodies.
The family was impressed with the "toys" in the Sonota, but in a first for us, all passengers felt naueous on long trips, it had something to do with the bobbing of the suspension. It didn't exactly inspire confidence for the driver either.
Had the 2012 Camry been out at the time we were looking, I would have considered it for my son. With the 2012 Camry, it appears Toyota did what was expected. It even has entune, which I wish a comparable feature was available on my G.
If you didn't like Toyota or the Camry to begin with, this refresh will leave you cold. But if you either liked Toyota and were waiting or were on the fence, this refresh will likely bring you back into the Toyota fold.
#16586 of 20228 Re: 2012 Camry [akirby]
Oct 27, 2011 (7:33 am)
The new Camry is OK looking on the outside and is a little better than the current one but I really never had a problem with the exterior of the current Camry like a lot of folks. The interior was what sucked and a little too soft of suspension. But their drivetrains have always been excellent and they have ugraded the interior a bunch. But you're right that it doesn't blow anything away.
I haven't seen any actual photos of the new Fusion so I don't know how you can say it will blow away most of the competition especially when a new Altima and Accord will be arriving around the same time. Have you seen those cars as well? Just a little premature to be saying that IMO.
The only midsizers that have really blown the competition away in the exterior styling IMO is the Sonata and Optima. I have a lot of qualms about these cars in many aspects but the styling is touched by nobody.
Oct 27, 2011 (8:00 am)
People seem to like Altima although I think it's ugly and hate the CVT. My casual observation says there are a ton of them on the road. And I'm sure a ton of 2012s will be sold also.
#16588 of 20228 Re: 2012 Camry [m6user]
Oct 27, 2011 (8:34 am)
This is a rendering of the 2013 Fusion that folks who have seen the real one say is fairly close - but the real one looks even better. There are a lot of Aston Martin cues in it.
#16589 of 20228 Re: 2012 Camry [m6user]
Oct 27, 2011 (8:34 am)
"The only midsizers that have really blown the competition away in the exterior styling IMO is the Sonata and Optima. I have a lot of qualms about these cars in many aspects but the styling is touched by nobody. "
I totally disagree. I absolutely hate the new Sonata. It looks like the offspring of a '96 Taurus and an '04 Solara. It's quite possible a catfish was the inspiration for its design.
The Optima is nice though. At least I thought so before I sat in one.
#16590 of 20228 Re: 2012 Camry [baggs32]
Oct 27, 2011 (8:44 am)
I realize styling is subjective but I think the vast majority would agree the Sonata styling has been a tremendous hit since being introduced. Sales numbers bear that out as well.
You thought the styling on the Optima was nice until you sat in it? What does sitting in a car have to do with the exterior styling which is what I was talking about?
#16591 of 20228 Re: 2012 Camry [akirby]
Oct 27, 2011 (8:50 am)
Looks pretty good in that photo from that angle and I see the Focus in the front end. But like you said it's a rendering. I always wait until I see cars in the flesh and also see the other cars I'm comparing it to before I start salivating and stating it's going to blow the others away.
#16592 of 20228 Re: 2012 Camry [m6user]
Oct 27, 2011 (9:04 am)
The people who have seen the real thing have all said that it looks even better and more "sinister" than the rendering.
We should see it and the new MKZ (which is supposed to be very different but still great looking) either at the LA or Detroit auto shows.
#16593 of 20228 Re: 2012 Camry [akirby]
Oct 27, 2011 (9:26 am)
The LA show. That's right around the corner. Will that be pretty much the production ready version or will it be a close "concept"?
#16594 of 20228 Re: 2012 Camry [baggs32]
Oct 27, 2011 (9:30 am)
I agree with you, the Sonota isn't all that good looking, but more importantly the ride, IMO, leaves a lot to be desired.