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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16578 of 20239 Rented a late-model Ford Fusion...
Sep 05, 2011 (4:06 am)
out of Dallas-Fort Worth last weekend. That is one nice, quiet ride the Fusion gives. I barely heard the engine whine, I didn't even look to see if I had a 4 or 6 cyl. The acceleration was decent, car "manners" on the freeways leading away from Dallas-Ft.Worth and then west on I-20 were very good. Handling was good, nothing more, but competent and fuel economy was good. I left in the night from the airport and only discovered the color of the car the next morning, what I thought was black was really a dark blue-torqouise color that looked pretty good. Radio was competent, I was treated to a late Saturday night replay of a 2002 Coast-To-Coast AM with Art Bell so I was a satisfied camper in that respect.
I give the Fusion a 95 out of 100 for that "test-drive" rental. I rented a '09 Toyota Camry in June of '09 out of Sea-Tac and I can only give that car about a 80. Competent but Toyota boring in looks and driving manners both. Might work for some but the Fusion fits me much better. Love to drive a '11 Kia Optima one of these days and compare it to the Fusion for road manners and handling.
#16579 of 20239 Passat: C/D's top mid-sized car
Sep 10, 2011 (1:54 pm)
C/D just did a comparo on the new Passat V6 vs. the Accord EX-L V6 and the Sonata 2.0T Limited--two cars on their last 10Best list. But the Passat beat them both. At least, the V6 Passat beat the V6 Accord and turbo Sonata. They confessed they like the I4 Accord more than the V6 Accord, and it might have been a different story if they compared the Passat 2.5L I5 to the I4 Accord and 2.4L Sonata.
It's a strange review, for C/D. The car that won seems to have the worst handling in their eyes. Usually C/D gives the top slot to whichever car handles best... which I figure is why they love the Accord so much and why they named the Sonata to their 10Best list last year. But this time they raved about the interior and the smooth ride, and the smooth V6 engine.
Given how few people will buy the V6 (or turbo) variants of these cars vs. the regular I4/I5 models, kinda strange they decided to compare the V6s and turbo. I expect when their next 10Best issue rolls around, the Accord will be on the list again. I doubt the Passat will be.
#16580 of 20239 Re: Rental musings [backy]
Oct 25, 2011 (11:18 am)
Rented and tested a bunch of cars in the last six months and ended up buying one.
My least favorite 2011 Sonota, ride is horrible made family nauseas. Most favorite g37 ended up buying it. Rented CTS, nothing special and rented the Camry twice.
Camry was actually my favorite. Great mileage 30 overall, spacious, quiet and nice on the highway.
When I was at ford I sat in the fusion, couldn't bring myself to test drive it just didn't like it. Drove the Taurus didn't like the road feel. Same for MKS.
The 2012 Camry sounds like a winner and think that Toyota will again sell a bunch of them.
#16581 of 20239 Re: Rental musings [kdshapiro]
Oct 26, 2011 (4:31 pm)
If the Camry was your favorite, why didn't you buy it? Would have saved you a bunch over a G37. Would have saved a lot in gas also, especially with the hybrid Camry (LE hybrid looks like a good deal for the money).
Sonata making a family nauseous... that's a new one.
#16582 of 20239 Re: Rental musings [backy]
Oct 26, 2011 (8:12 pm)
I wanted more of a sporty sedan With a rwd bias, hence the g, but I like renting the Camry.
Had the Sonota for three weeks enough to get a really good idea of the handling. IMO the Camry handles far better than the Sonota although the Sonota had more room.
Oct 27, 2011 (4:16 am)
Is this the Camry model you rented? If not, can understand why you went for the G37, but the 2012 Camry looks to be a real winner and I agree...Toyota will sell a bunch of 'em! At the Honda dealer now and just sat in a loaded Accord...a real sweet vehicle and even the leather is real nice but it's just plain too big...way too big of a mid sized car. From the pics I've seen, the Camry just looks smaller even though it's probably not. But in the looks department, it blows the Accord out of the water. Honda needs to redo the Accord, like...yesterday! Even the new Civic I just sat in is nothing to write home about! The inside is too plasticy, the dash looks dated & the overall feel & look of the interior is so old looking. The Elantra has a more pleasing interior by far...a more swoopy, modern dash with a nice color on the radio & speedo...a more modern look which fits in well with the exterior look of the car. Even the Focus looks more modern & up to date than the Civic. Honda has really dropped the ball with these two models and is no longer the benchmark in its class...will be very interested to see what the next generation Sentra & Corolla will look like. Nissan & Toyota really need to hit a grand slam with them or Hyundai & Ford will increase their market shares dramatically!
#16584 of 20239 Re: 2012 Camry [sandman_6472]
Oct 27, 2011 (5:19 am)
The new Camry won't blow away anybody. It's no worse than the current one but that's not saying much from a styling standpoint.
The new Fusion should really blow away most of the competition.
#16585 of 20239 Re: 2012 Camry [sandman_6472]
Oct 27, 2011 (5:36 am)
Rented the 2011 Camry. I should actually clarify something. Family was looking for two cars, one for me and one for my son. We were all over the place in terms of car dealers and during the preceeding months rented Sonota, G37, CTS, Camry and Corolla.
I was unimpressed with a loaded Honda, walked in walked out. Looked at the 2011 Camry for me and my son but couldn't decide.
When we stopped at the Ford dealer looked at the 2012 Focus. Took it for a test drive and knew it was a winner for my son. Was unimpressed with Fusion, Taurus, MKS. So bought the Focus, which I thought was clearly better than the Corolla and Civic.
I ended up buying the G because I wanted an ELLPS with a rear-wheel drive bias and all of the goodies.
The family was impressed with the "toys" in the Sonota, but in a first for us, all passengers felt naueous on long trips, it had something to do with the bobbing of the suspension. It didn't exactly inspire confidence for the driver either.
Had the 2012 Camry been out at the time we were looking, I would have considered it for my son. With the 2012 Camry, it appears Toyota did what was expected. It even has entune, which I wish a comparable feature was available on my G.
If you didn't like Toyota or the Camry to begin with, this refresh will leave you cold. But if you either liked Toyota and were waiting or were on the fence, this refresh will likely bring you back into the Toyota fold.
#16586 of 20239 Re: 2012 Camry [akirby]
Oct 27, 2011 (7:33 am)
The new Camry is OK looking on the outside and is a little better than the current one but I really never had a problem with the exterior of the current Camry like a lot of folks. The interior was what sucked and a little too soft of suspension. But their drivetrains have always been excellent and they have ugraded the interior a bunch. But you're right that it doesn't blow anything away.
I haven't seen any actual photos of the new Fusion so I don't know how you can say it will blow away most of the competition especially when a new Altima and Accord will be arriving around the same time. Have you seen those cars as well? Just a little premature to be saying that IMO.
The only midsizers that have really blown the competition away in the exterior styling IMO is the Sonata and Optima. I have a lot of qualms about these cars in many aspects but the styling is touched by nobody.
Oct 27, 2011 (8:00 am)
People seem to like Altima although I think it's ugly and hate the CVT. My casual observation says there are a ton of them on the road. And I'm sure a ton of 2012s will be sold also.