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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16524 of 20238 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Leaked: Full Specs and Photos [m6user]
Aug 12, 2011 (4:49 pm)
The interior photos aren't very good but they are clear enough to show a clunky design that reminds me of the '80s. Toyota should look at cars like the Optima, Sonata, Mazda6, and Regal to see what a well-executed dash looks like.
Exterior-wise, it's a big yawn. The roofline is like the pre-2007 Camry's. Front is familiar, and not ugly but no new ground there. Rear looks like a cross between the new Civic and the 2011 Accord. Nothing very interesting, more like the new Passat than more imaginative designs like the (see list above).
But Toyota will sell millions of them.
Aug 12, 2011 (4:53 pm)
The 2012 has aged nicely and I think it looks great...good job Toyota! Somehow, I think it'll remain the best selling car in America...again.
#16526 of 20238 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Leaked: Full Specs and Photos [backy]
Aug 12, 2011 (7:45 pm)
Yeah, I know what you mean about the interior. I didn't have much of a problem with the actual design of the old interior, just the crappy materials. Fake chrome that scratched off easily, cheap plastics and the switchgear wasn't as good as it used to be. Even the cloth seats, headliner and visors seemed cheap. The dash does look a little strange but the poor image quality may add to that "clunky" look. Then again maybe not. I really need to see better pics to really get a feel for it. There have been cars where the early pics were terrible and the cars ended up looking pretty nice IMO.
I remember when the early pics of the new Sonata came out and people were all screaming that it looked like melted butter and now dmost think they look great....myself included.
#16527 of 20238 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Leaked: Full Specs and Photos [m6user]
Aug 12, 2011 (8:09 pm)
I always thought the new Sonata looked good. The new Camry looks more like the previous gen Sonata. Not terrible, but bland. Bland used to sell very well in this class. But recent designs have shown buyers like a little pizzaz in their appliance cars.
#16528 of 20238 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Leaked: Full Specs and Photos [backy]
Aug 12, 2011 (9:46 pm)
I always thought the new Sonata looked good.
So did I but I'm sure you remember all the negative comments about the styling early on. I think the new Passat is kind of bland but I really like the styling of it. It is euro and the kind of styling that will look good for a long time. While the new Sonata looks really good now, I do wonder how the styling will wear a few years down the road. I think the Optima styling will be longer lasting.
Nice to see some activity on this midsize sedans forum. Ever since the so called "upgrade" it has been deader than dead.
#16529 of 20238 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Leaked: Full Specs and Photos [m6user]
Aug 13, 2011 (7:05 am)
It's indeed nice to see activity here again, partly what I wanted to accomplish by posting the article...
Since I bought my '10 Mazda6, there has been a few new competitors, and the segment has indeed shifted IMO. The Sonata has polarizing styling, you either like it or hate it, at least exterior-wise. I personally am not a big fan, and IMO the Elantra is worse, simply because it doesn't look any different. I understand the concept of brand identity, but WTF?
The Optima OTOH, that's a great looker, and of the Korean twins, Kia has the better looks both inside and out.
Either way, IMO the Koreans have really stepped up their game.
I'll mention the Regal, since it's also new, and it's a Saturn Aura in a different dimension. Powertrains aren't class-leading, but the styling is euro-nice, if that's a word, and it's given new life to Buick dealers. The new '12 Malibu seems promising, although I really have to see the Camaro-inspired tail in person to make a final decision.
Disappointments? The Passat. One word, cheap. Inside, outside, it's VW catering to the lowest common denominator, something the Camry has done for years, and IMO it's terrible. Except the TDI, powertrains aren't very inspiring either (a 5-cylinder, really? IIRC, the last 5-cyl was the Acura Vigor, and that didn't exactly set sales records). The last-gen Passat looked more modern, had better interiors, and actually had character. the new one has none of those, which means it'll sell well, just like the Camry.
Altima, Accord, Fusion, Legacy? Umm, lets wait for the redesigns.
My 6? Still love it! The interior is still one of the best-in-class, despite being three years old. The exterior is still eye-pleasing to me, and after 15K miles of commuting, people-hauling, stuff-hauling, and a few road trips with 8+ hours per day of driving, it's been flawless.
The midsize sedan market is VERY hot right now IMO, but the Camry will still outsell everyone else, since vanilla still outsells all other ice cream flavors...
#16530 of 20238 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Leaked: Full Specs and Photos [mz6greyghost]
Aug 13, 2011 (8:22 am)
Yep, that Elantra (mid-sized interior) is really awful looking... sales through the roof, and named one of the world's ten most beautiful cars.
I think the Elantra is better looking than the Sonata. But a lot of people like vanilla ice cream, not pistachio.
#16531 of 20238 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Leaked: Full Specs and Photos [backy]
Aug 13, 2011 (3:51 pm)
I like the Elantra better. At first I thought the hood looked a littel stubby but after seeing it on the road it just seems to work better than the Sonata. I like the Optima design better than the Sonata but still like the Sonata.
I like the new Passat and find it to be a lot better looking than the older model. The interior has not been cheapened much at all compared to the way the new Jetta has and the Passat interior still looks and feels a class above.
#16532 of 20238 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Leaked: Full Specs and Photos [m6user]
Aug 13, 2011 (11:47 pm)
I would like the Passat a lot better if it didn't:
1) look like a 10-year-old Impala from the side.
2) have a barely adequate base engine (2.5L I5) that isn't competitive in fuel economy with today's mid-sized cars.
Actually I like the new Jetta pretty well, trim outside and humongous inside, with an Audi-esque rear. Only the cheap interior materials and the woeful base engine make it a tough car to love.
#16533 of 20238 Hyper Bland
Aug 14, 2011 (3:24 am)
I understand the '12 Camry hybrid is supposed to get 40 mpg.
Didn't know they could tweak it that much more.
It just looks like a bloated Corolla to me.
Our Sonata hybrid has been getting mid to high 30s and some 40 mpg tank fulls all summer.
6,500 miles since purchase 4/29.