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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#16501 of 18160 Re: 2012 VW Passat [m6user] by dash5

May 25, 2011 (7:21 am)

Replying to: m6user (May 24, 2011 2:22 pm)
TL is one of those cars where when I catch the profile I'm always doing a "nice, what is that?" Yeah the new one looks pretty good now I agree. Inside is nice too.
 
Fabric in my Optima seems like it's quite durable on the seats, i dont foresee any issues with it. Stylistically it seems unnecessary but i don't notice it at all other than as an "at a glance" when taking in the whole interior. In that context it looks good.
 
The SX accelerates just as good as the G did, power to weight ratio is virtually identical. Plenty of passing power is available. It's not going to pin you to your seat like a Corvette but it's great to have that power available.
 
I'm curious what the new Camry will look like too. For me I can appreciate everything about the current one except for the god awful interior. Not expecting that to change much, but maybe I'll be wrong!
 
No interest in the new Malibu?

#16502 of 18160 Re: 2012 VW Passat [acdii] by m6user

May 25, 2011 (9:12 am)

Replying to: acdii (May 24, 2011 6:59 pm)
To me that is a full size CUV. Lot bigger than my other choices and I really don't need that much HP(16-21mpg on prem. fuel), passenger capacity, cargo space. etc. Not sold on the Mytouch either. I like the techy stuff but like my interface with it to be more traditional I guess.
 
The standard engine engine with 262hp MPG and price matches up to the Murano pretty well(still not as good though) but overall it's way more vehicle than I need.
 
In addition, the styling is for sure different and adventerous for Ford but it's exterior styling is not that appealing to me. I rode in one and it was a very nice ride and everything but just the not for me.

#16503 of 18160 Re: 2012 VW Passat [dash5] by m6user

May 25, 2011 (9:33 am)

Replying to: dash5 (May 25, 2011 7:21 am)
Since the interior of the Camry has been slammed continously and Toyota knows it has to step it's game up I would think that would be a no-brainer but who knows. I would expect them to upgrade it but they do some strange things sometimes.
 
I forgot about the Malibu because I don't think it's going to be on sale until spring next year and I may have a new vehicle by then. I like the new styling except for the "camaro" tail lights. They may look good in person but they remind of the Camaro a lot and I'm not real fond of the rear end of that car either. The drivetrains that have been described sound pretty interesting. Another car that I will take a good hard look at this fall will be the Buick Verano turbo.
 
I'm a little put off by GM and it has nothing to do with political crap or loans etc. It just seems that new GM models have tons of recalls. They also spend so much time in development and tease so much that after the they arrive in US dealerships they look kind of old already. I used to be a pretty devoted GM buyer for about 25 years but the quality really faded in the 80s-90s and I jumped ship. It will take some good product to get me back.
 
GM cars/trucks owned:
1960 Chevy Biscayne
1963 Pontiac Tempest
1971 Pontiac Lemans
1965 Buick LaSabre(paid $325 in 1975, had two years and sold for $350)
1980 Chevy Malibu
1984 Olds Cutlass
1987 Olds Cutlass Ciera
1987 Pontiac Bonneville
1992 Pontiac Grand AM
1993 Buick LaSabre Ltd.
1995 Chevy S-10
 
A few of these were actually company cars but I drove em for couple years each and maintained them so I count them in my "car owning" experience even though I didn't have to pay for them.
 
Anyway, yeah, I'll check out the new Malibu even if I already purchase something. Don't we all?

#16504 of 18160 Re: 2012 VW Passat [m6user] by m6user

May 25, 2011 (1:30 pm)

Replying to: m6user (May 25, 2011 9:33 am)
Reply to self.
 
The 1965 Buick was an Electra 225, not a LaSabre. Had a 455 engine and flew. What a boat.

#16505 of 18160 Re: 2012 VW Passat [m6user] by tlong

May 25, 2011 (3:33 pm)

Replying to: m6user (May 25, 2011 9:33 am)
Since the interior of the Camry has been slammed continously and Toyota knows it has to step it's game up I would think that would be a no-brainer but who knows. I would expect them to upgrade it but they do some strange things sometimes.
 
You would think so, but look at GM and C going 20+ years with crappy interiors before they got the message that it might be important to buyers! Honda has been getting slammed for declining interiors, yet the new Civic is worse than the previous one. I wonder if Toyota will slip more?
 
GM has gotten the interiors message and has been improving in this area big time. They just need to get it together with reliability/mpg/power tradeoffs to be competitive. Perhaps the new Malibu will be a home run, as the previous one was a base hit after many years of pop flys.

#16506 of 18160 Re: 2012 VW Passat [tlong] by m6user

May 25, 2011 (3:58 pm)

Replying to: tlong (May 25, 2011 3:33 pm)
Yeah, you're probably right. There's a better than even chance that any improvement in the interior from Toyota will be small at best. But after seeing what Chrysler, even moreso than GM, has done with it's interiors and in a very short time with new management there is hope. Maybe that's what Toyota needs......new management.

#16507 of 18160 Re: 2012 VW Passat [m6user] by tenpin288

May 25, 2011 (4:24 pm)

Replying to: m6user (May 25, 2011 3:58 pm)
Maybe a new management style is in order?
 
Toyota deaf to outside advice?

#16508 of 18160 Re: 2012 VW Passat [m6user] by acdii

May 25, 2011 (5:27 pm)

Replying to: m6user (May 25, 2011 9:12 am)
(16-21mpg on prem. fuel)
 
Try 19 avg 27 Highway on 87. Premium is not needed in the Ecoboost.

#16509 of 18160 Re: 2012 VW Passat [acdii] by m6user

May 25, 2011 (8:57 pm)

Replying to: acdii (May 25, 2011 5:27 pm)
That was what cars.com had for the all wheel drive model. Maybe premium is recommended but not necessary but they had just premium listed. I was comparing to all wheel drive Murano.

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