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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16490 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [mz6greyghost]
May 23, 2011 (8:02 am)
I read the review, and it seems to have better driving dynamics, especially in the handling / steering department. Only their diesel engine is impressive. The 2.5L has decent power but, just like the Jetta, it results in ho-hum real world performance.
VW made a point to talk a bout how big it was. I remember when Mazda did the same thing for the 09 Mazda6, and sales have not reflected the perceived demand for a large sedan, although the Mazda6 is quite a nice car and is still the drivers choice in this crowded segment.
VW has a similar demographic to Mazda in that their buyers look for fun cars to drive. I don't expect this car to be that much of a success for VW.
About the Jetta, I do see a good amount on the road in my neck of the woods (CT), but, they are just so horrible to look at. Same goes for the Passat.
#16491 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [mz6greyghost]
May 23, 2011 (8:53 am)
After seeing the article and the pics, it's quite obvious that VW doesn't seem to care about it's German roots and has settled on the lowest common denominator to sell sedans
You must have read a different article than I did or are you just saying this because it got bigger? They said it handled sharply(like before) and has a nicely laid out interior with good quality(like before). While the exterior is kind of plain, I like it. You could say the Audi is plain but it's styling certainly holds up well and still looks very classy IMO.
I guess I'll wait to really bash it until I see one in person. The Jetta got the same grief and it has been selling better than ever. I also remember all the posts in here bashing the new Sonata as people looked at pictures and called it the ugliest thing they had ever seen. In person it looked a lot better and was a smash at auto shows and dealer showrooms.
I just got a different tone from the article than you did I guess. I've always liked the Passat but when optioned to my specs it was up in luxury car territory and was too expensive compared to other midsizers. Maybe now it will be more competitive.
#16492 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [m6user]
May 23, 2011 (9:14 am)
I'll give it the handling that it has (supposedly) retained, although I won't know for sure until I drive it. I'm looking more at the styling (or lack of it IMO) and interior. The gray plastic look cheap in the pics, and the fake wood just looks tacky. I liked the older VW interiors, where even the low-end models had quality plastics and nice controls.
I guess I'm looking for something with more style in this class than others. I bought the '10 Mazda6 partly because I liked the looks, both inside and out, and the Fusion was my second choice. Since then, the Sonata/Optima twins have hit the market, and although I don't care for the Sonata's styling, it definitely has character, and the Optima IMO is one of the best-looking in this class.
To me, the Passat has lost some personality to please the masses. It's just... generic.
#16493 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [mz6greyghost]
May 23, 2011 (10:01 am)
To me, the Passat has lost some personality to please the masses. It's just... generic.
Your generic may be someone else's subtle and classic. To each his own. I think the Mazda6 from the front view looks hideous, you like it. This just proves that exteror styling is pretty much a subjective thing. Like I said, everyone was making similar comments about the new Jetta which looks similar to this new Passat and they are selling very well. I don't think anybody will argue that the interior on the Jetta didn't get cheapened and the drivetrains are pretty much the same. So that leads me to believe that most like the new styling just fine.
It will be interesting to see how this new "American made" Passat will fare versus the "Mexican made" Jetta.
I agree that the new Optima is very good looking and I think that is because it has a little more Euro look to it.......like the new Passat.
#16494 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [mz6greyghost]
May 23, 2011 (10:32 am)
Based purely on the pictures the Passat needs to have an actual color to look good in my opinion. The pics in that article make it look very drab and generic I agree.
Much like the Sonata in fact. I find a black, red or white Sonata to be very sharp looking. In grey I think it's really ugly. Here's a quick search for the Passat in Red and Blue... looks good to me!
Have to see em in person to really judge though.
#16495 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [dash5]
May 23, 2011 (11:29 am)
Hey dash how's that SX performing. MPG, drive, zip, bells/whistles?????
#16496 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [m6user]
May 23, 2011 (5:45 pm)
Still loving this car. Took a longish trip over the weekend, 4 hours each way all highway. It did about 31mpg doing 80 mph for the vast majority of the trip. Typically MPG isnt very big on my list since I have a short daily commute but 50+ bucks per fill up makes me appreciate it.
Definitely has all the zip I need, I still compare it favorably to my old 2004 G35 in that regard, and the interior is far better than the G was. Punch the gas and it moves. Love the power. Bells and whistles are still overwhelming. I'm coming from a 2001 Jetta daily driver, great car but not much in the way of tech features. The SX has things I would never think I wanted but now I find myself using all of it. Used the cooled seats on the long drive this weekend. Used the Navigation to get there and find a place to eat. Granted I could easily have used my smartphone for Nav, and truth be told the Droid nav is a bit easier to use but having the Nav integrated is nice. Automatically lowers the radio when she speaks among other things, and I use the backup cam that comes with it a lot.
Liking the push button start. Love the panoramic sunroof, my 3 year old loves it too because he can see planes flying overhead.
The bluetooth for the phone is great, it even streams audio which I've used a couple of times. I hook up my ipod to the car every day now. Wife uses the second memory setting on the seats. Tons of room to haul people and luggage. Seat comfort is totally fine on long or short trips. The HID headlights really make a difference too at night.
As for looks, I still get compliments on it all the time. It's really impressive in person in a way the pictures simply cant recreate. The SX especially.
The only downside I see to it, if you can call it that, is that it's a large car.
Coming from the smallish Jetta, the Jetta was just more nimble and maneuverable in tight spaces like turning around in my driveway. The SX is very maneuverable but it's simply larger.
I'd also prefer it to be transmit a bit less road noise. As it stands it's about exactly equal to an Accord. It's not bad, it's just something they could improve. I'm told the tires might be a big factor there but no firsthand knowledge.
Are you still in the market for anything?
#16497 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [dash5]
May 24, 2011 (12:22 pm)
Tks for the update on your SX. Interesting that you feel the interior is better than your '04 G35. I have a '02 QX4 and really think the interior is first rate and have yet to have anything break on the inside. Leather is still in great shape, clock works etc. I would guess the '04 G35 is at least as nice as mine so you saying the Optimas is better is really saying something IMO.
Is it the layout and spaciousness of the interior you like so much better or is it the actual quality of materials? I sat in the Optima at the auto show and really wouldn't consider it to be better quality than an Infiniti interior by any means. Was more spacious though and I liked the layout.
I don't think I've ever averaged 80 mph on any trip over say about 25 miles. Just don't drive that fast unless I'm in a really big hurry and then it would be for very short distances. You have a lead foot it seems. What do you think you would get MPG wise at say around 65 or 70mph avg? Do you think it would be around the EPA hwy estimate or better?
I'm still in the market but am having a hard time deciding if I want to go sedan or CUV. I have a short list for both. I thought I could make a final decision after going to the auto show in February but didn't happen. I tend to keep vehicles for 7-10 years so I get kind of anal about it.
Current short lists and in no particular order:
Sedans: Optima, TL, Altima, Maxima, possibly new Passat. All with either turbo or v6.
CUVs: Q5, Murano, and waiting on the new Infiinti JX to preview in August.
I may wait until all the new models debut this summer and fall to make a final decision and buy in Nov/Dec time frame.
#16498 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [m6user]
May 24, 2011 (12:41 pm)
I cant comment on the QX4 but the 2004 G35 coupe interior was what I'd call adequate. Edmunds called the quality "Average" http://www.edmunds.com/infiniti/g35/2004/?sub=coupe&style=100330765
Maybe a case of inflated expectations since I was buying an Infiniti, but the interior was just good and I expected entry level lux to be a bit better I think. Meanwhile the Kia strikes me as hitting above it's weight class. It is clean and simple. Note this is the SX model only, the lower trim (including EX Turbo) levels I found to be ok, nothing special for the class. The supervision cluster I just love, it's the one feature that made the SX a must for me instead of just an option over the EX-T. Of course the angled cockpit is a great touch imo. The nice large NAV screen, black interior works for me in this car even though I had been thinking tan before seeing it, and I like the steering wheel. They also put enough soft touches where your hands will make contact for it to feel upscale to boot.
Well the 80 mph was a little bit lead foot but I was on the NY Throughway which is 65 posted but 75 is the average. I was keeping up with traffic for the most part. I had it set to 65 cruise on ECO mode for a bit and it was creeping up steadily so maybe a solid mid 30's MPG? Others have posted 42 MPG doing 65 in ECO with cruise on for extended stretches. I personally havent seen that though I dont doubt it.
I like your sedan picks although I'm kinda down on the Altima. It's a bit long in the tooth now and doesnt offer as much as the others. Really like the Maxima as an option. CUV's you list I cant speak to but I love the look of the Q5. That is a very sharp vehicle.
#16499 of 20239 Re: 2012 VW Passat [dash5]
May 24, 2011 (1:22 pm)
How do you like the fabric/leather seats? Do you think the fabric will hold up well ? How does the punch compare, say to your '04 G35?
Yeah, the Altima is due this year for a complete redo. I haven't seen one spy photo or anything of the 2012 Altima so I'm beginning to wonder if the redo will happen this fall or not. I'm kind of leaning to the new TL now that it gets 20/29mpg with a six speed auto trans. They toned down the angles just enough to make it look pretty sharp IMO. Before it was just too angular for me.
It will also be interesting to see what Toyota will do with the 2012 Camry. Will they bite the bullet and improve the interior greatly, add a little styling and tighten the steering/suspension a little? If they could do all that they would attract not only their die hards but people that actually compare. The drivetrains on the Camry are great and the v6 is a screamer for a midsize car.