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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16367 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [luckyseven]
Mar 16, 2011 (5:58 pm)
I would not make any conclusions on car selling price after looking on auto show MSRP pricing.
But as long as you want to talk discounts, I can go down to a local Ford dealer and get a Fusion SE for under $18k right now. Far superior car to the Camry, IMO. Or a Malibu for about the same money--again a superior car to the Camry I think. Even the once-woeful Chrysler 200 has upped its game and has a much nicer interior than the Camry now. If Chrysler can upgrade the interiors (and more, in the case of the 200 and other cars) of ALL of its vehicles in one year, why can't Toyota make the Camry more competitive (e.g. a higher-quality interior) in the five years the current design has been on the market?
Toyota used to make the highest-quality cars in the market, inside and out. The 1992 Camry set new standards for quality in the mid-sized segment--in many ways it was comparable to a Lexus. If you compare almost any other mid-sized sedan to the Camry today, without rose-colored glasses, it's easy to see how far Toyota has slipped. The Optima is probably the best example, but there's others e.g. Mazda6, Sonata, Passat, and Legacy.
#16368 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [backy]
Mar 16, 2011 (6:42 pm)
If Chrysler can upgrade the interiors (and more, in the case of the 200 and other cars) of ALL of its vehicles in one year, why can't Toyota make the Camry more competitive (e.g. a higher-quality interior) in the five years the current design has been on the market?
That's a damn good point. I sat in several Chrysler products at the auto show and was amazed at how much their interiors have improved overnight. Maybe Fiat influence, maybe just market pressure but they were very nice on the inside. Can't say much for their exterior styling and I wouldn't buy one just yet as I think they still have a ways to go quality wise. But, if they keep moving in the right direction they should be very competitive within a couple of years. Hopefully, they will last that long.
#16369 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [m6user]
Mar 17, 2011 (3:52 am)
Chrysler designs great vehicles, but that is where the process stops. --- Their engines and transmissions have a lot of issues as they age. ----(Do a search on the 2.7 engine.) ----- The transmissions in their vans are known to fail at an early mileage. ------ Chrysler, and Chrysler dealers look for any excuse NOT to honor their extended warranties. ---- I have looked at the Chrysler 300 for many years. It is simply a beautiful vehicle, but I will not purchase one because the dealers in my area of the country are know as "bottom feeders" in the automotive market place! Their service reputation is zero! ----- Best regards. ------ Dwayne
#16370 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [backy]
Mar 17, 2011 (4:20 am)
I totally agree with you here. Toyota interiors could use a lot of improvement. When current Camry generation came up for sale back in 2006 Toyota knew that they were only game in town and their real competition was only Honda Accord so they allowed themselves to cut corners. I bought my 2009 Camry back in the beginning of 2008 and even then I didn't have much choice. As far as car itself it is typical Toyota and performs the way I expected. No thrills, reliable, comfortable, easy on gas - and this is what I was looking for when I bought it. It is really nice to have such an improved competition these days and I'm glad that domestic manufacturers finally came with cars that attractive to buyers. Also we all know that current Camry is in the end of it's production life so competing cars that came up on the market in a last year or two should try to be better since every car manufacturer uses Camry as benchmark. If I'd be on the market for a new car today I'd definitely look at all the choices that present. If I could wait for some time I'd wait to see next generation Camry before buying anything else, I'm sure it will not disappoint.
#16371 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [luckyseven]
Mar 17, 2011 (4:24 am)
If I could wait for some time I'd wait to see next generation Camry before buying anything else, I'm sure it will not disappoint.
I doubt Toyota will improve the interior quality. I just got a chance to drive and looked at the inside of my uncle 2011 Sienna and I can say...I'm very disappointed with the quality with hard plastic on every corner. His old Sienna was a lot better inside.
IMO, the quality in the 2011 Highlander (my brother has it) is marginal as well.
#16372 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [gooddeal2]
Mar 17, 2011 (6:00 am)
I also own 2008 Highlander that pretty much the same as your brother's 2011 model. I agree that interior uses too much plastic but it doesn't bother me a bit because the rest of the car is top natch. That car came out in in the spring of 2007 (that's when I got it) so interior obviously dated. I'd expect Toyota to make some interior improvements for it's mid-life redesign done for 2010 model year but they decided to improve exterior instead. I guess Toyota feels that Highlanders sell as hot cakes and good as they are. For almost 4 years I've owned a Highlander, I've almost never seen it being advertised by local dealers in the auto section of local paper. That really surprises me, you could see ads for Camry, Corolla, Rav4 but never a HL. While interior in Toyota cars definitely lacks it is not a major deciding factor. It is what it is, buyers see it, and still buy a Toyota - your brother did. Toyota may not excel in interior, exterior, or handling comparing to other cars. It excels as a whole package and this is why they so hard to beat.
BTW. I don't know why you're thinking that HL is a "marginal quality". For almost 4 years of ownership it didn't break down once and performs the way I expected. I don't want to start a conversation on HL quality here because it is not going to take us anywhere.
#16373 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [luckyseven]
Mar 17, 2011 (5:44 am)
I just pointed out the Sienna and HL b/c Sienna is all new for this year but Toyota even tries to cut more corners and the HL just get a mid-life refresh with nothing exciting to the interior...just the minor outside changes (which is normal).
IMO, I doubt Toyota will improve the interior quality of the new Camry. The new Camry will be more likely have the same amount of plastic as the current Camry or worst.
Oh, when I said marginal quality, I mean the plastic...nothing more.
#16374 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [luckyseven]
Mar 17, 2011 (6:09 am)
Their only competition was the Honda Accord? Evidently you never looked at the KIA Optimas,Hyundai Sonatas,the Ford Fusions or the Nissan Altimas.
All of those that I mentioned have been excellent value cars,especially after 2006.They also look better than the Camry,inside and outside.
#16375 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [gooddeal2]
Mar 17, 2011 (6:12 am)
It's only aesthetics then, not quality.
#16376 of 20241 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [mickeyrom]
Mar 17, 2011 (6:16 am)
evidently they were not as good back then as they are today otherwise best selling cars would be KIAs, not Toyota. It's all matter of personal preference. I did look at my options and decided on Toyota. You can buy whatever your heart tells you.