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#16354 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [luckyseven] by acdii

Mar 16, 2011 (9:12 am)

Replying to: luckyseven (Mar 16, 2011 9:08 am)
It needs a major redesign as the current model is awful. I had a 2009, and it was not a very good car. Sure it was reliable, but material wise, very cheap, it was also noisy and handled like one of those old cars you see in movies now that float all over the place on shockless springs. The Fusion is a much better built car and has higher quality material compared to the Camry. The only reason it sells more is people are too blinded by the past and wont even bother to look at the Fords. I was that way even though I had good Fords in the past. I gave Ford a chance and haven't looked back, in fact like it so much I bought the Flex, and man that is a great car.

#16355 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [luckyseven] by m6user

Mar 16, 2011 (9:39 am)

Replying to: luckyseven (Mar 16, 2011 9:08 am)
Everyone that can read knows you can get any car substantially below MSRP so the "news" the Camry can be had for $19k is not news of the breaking kind.
 
The handling of the Camry is often denigrated by people that like a firmer response but is hardly as bad they make it out to be. Floaty like the cars of the sixties is really an huge exaggeration. It's a good car for people that want a soft, quiet ride and economical to maintain. The exterior styling is not that much different than many other midsize sedans and I've never found it to be ugly by any means. The interior, IMO, is where Toyota has really dropped the ball in recent years and not just in the Camry. They have cheapened their interiors with expanses of hard plastic and cheap switchgear to the point that it's a shame. The V6 has great power and gets very good MPG and is probably a better combo of power and frugalility than any other V6 midsizer normally discussed here.
 
I've never owned one but my daughter just turned her 2009 in(company car) and during her 2.5 years and 70k miles of driving it she had 1 minor repairs under warranty, loved the JBL stereo and couldn't believe how fast it was when needed. Many people just like to slam the Camry because it's the Camry and has been number one in sales for a long time. There is no car in this group that is the best thing since sliced bread, including the Camry of course, but some would have you think so.

#16356 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [acdii] by luckyseven

Mar 16, 2011 (9:42 am)

Replying to: acdii (Mar 16, 2011 9:12 am)
I don't know why you call it awful, what exactly didn't you like about it? I own 2009 Camry and have no complains about it. Does what it's supposed to do. If I'd need more thrills I'd go with BMW but we are talking about $19K car here. I really glad that Ford finally got it's act together and started producing better cars but I'm not ready to jump the boat because Toyota didn't give me a single reason to do so. My second car is second generation Highlander, and man that is a great car.

#16357 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [luckyseven] by akirby

Mar 16, 2011 (12:25 pm)

Replying to: luckyseven (Mar 16, 2011 9:42 am)
I'm not ready to jump the boat because Toyota didn't give me a single reason to do so
 
Lying to the public and the government and actively covering up potentially fatal safety issues isn't a good reason?

#16358 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [akirby] by luckyseven

Mar 16, 2011 (3:52 pm)

Replying to: akirby (Mar 16, 2011 12:25 pm)
You really behind the loop on that one. All it was a government assisted effort to discredit Toyota and scare people into buying Government Motors cars. It worked! Some Toyota car owners were selling their cars at giant loss because they were scared to death (hope you're a not one of them!). Toyota's image not as shiny as it was anymore even if not NHTSA nor even NASA found a thing.
 
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- An intensive 10 month investigation into possible causes of unintended acceleration in Toyota cars found no fault with the automaker's electronic throttle control systems, the Department of Transportation announced Tuesday (Feb 8).
 http://money.cnn.com/2011/02/08/autos/nhtsa_nasa_toyota_final_report/index.htm
 
But NHTSA also mentioned another possible cause: drivers pushing the gas instead of the brakes.
 
Many drivers may have confused the gas and brake pedals a problem that may account for "the vast majority" of the unintended acceleration incidents the agency investigated, NHTSA deputy administrator Ron Medford said at Tuesday's NHTSA press briefing.

#16359 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [luckyseven] by imidazol97

Mar 16, 2011 (2:09 pm)

Replying to: luckyseven (Mar 16, 2011 3:52 pm)
>All it was a government assisted push to discredit Toyota and push people to buy Government Motors cars. It backfired badly though:
 
You don't cite any support for either tenet. It was Toyota caused; it wasn't government pushed. And it didn't backfire.

#16360 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [imidazol97] by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST

Mar 16, 2011 (2:14 pm)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Mar 16, 2011 2:09 pm)
Well, it didn't hurt Toyota sales of popular models.
http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html
 
Hard to argue with a strong positive YTD change vs. last year.

#16361 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [kirstie_h] by imidazol97

Mar 16, 2011 (2:16 pm)

Replying to: Kirstie@Edmunds (Mar 16, 2011 2:14 pm)
>positive YTD change vs. last year.
 
Didn't most company's sales increase from last year?

#16362 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [imidazol97] by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST

Mar 16, 2011 (2:26 pm)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Mar 16, 2011 2:16 pm)
Yes, but if any "campaign" had worked, one wouldn't expect to see a higher than average increase in Toyota sales. You'd expect to see people flocking to other manufacturers.
 
Interestingly, when the Toyota story broke, industry analysts almost immediately predicted that if anyone, Hyundai would be the big winner. Appears to be playing out that way.

#16363 of 18436 Re: Midsizers at the auto show [kirstie_h] by smarty666

Mar 16, 2011 (3:14 pm)

Replying to: Kirstie@Edmunds (Mar 16, 2011 2:14 pm)
No matter what Toyota does, there are certain folks always posting complaints about them.

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