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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16286 of 20241 Interested in feedback
Jan 30, 2011 (10:03 pm)
I'm looking for a sedan. I've settled on a few key points: I want automatic (tired of shifting), leather seats, bluetooth capabilities, a 4 banger that won't use too much gas, reliable and something somewhat fun to drive. I also want to spend less than $30k, and would love to find a slightly used one if I could.
What I looked at:
- VW CC: best looking car of the bunch, but it's a VW (after years of owning a 95 Golf that required 1000s of $ in repairs, I'm biased...) and it's only a 4 seater. I need the option to carry 5 passengers in a pinch (not long distance)
- test drove an Hybrid Altima. I was not enthused. I found the driving dynamics a bit lacking and it just did not do it for me overall.
- test drove the Fusion (Hybrid as well). Center console looks like it would require some studying, but overall it was nice. Hybrid remains too expensive, but car is nice overall (nice leather, soft plastics, etc.). The hands free stuff is really cool. Just a tad small.
- test drove the Kia Optima EX. Definitely the best of the bunch, but the front seats were just way too hard to my liking. It's really too bad, as the car is damn near perfect otherwise, and clearly has a great engine.
The car will replace a 2004 Mazda6 hatchback. I really enjoyed the Mazda handling overall, and it's been pretty reliable for 85k miles. Should I look at the new 6? Am I missing anything else?
#16287 of 20241 Re: Interested in feedback [azorglub]
Jan 30, 2011 (10:17 pm)
the new 6 is quite a bit roomy. and a nice driving car. certainly worth a look.
if you don't mind AWD, check out a Subaru legacy.
and look at the hyundai sonata. Same platform and drivetrain as the kia, but I believe softer seats.
you seem to have slightly off beat tastes, so is that why no mention of the camry (snoozer) or Accord (too darned big now)
#16288 of 20241 Re: Interested in feedback [stickguy]
Jan 30, 2011 (10:30 pm)
Camry: everything I read says that the car is not much of a driver's car. I still like to zoom up the onramp once in a while.
Accord: I read that it's too noisy, and I like to be able to make phone calls when I drive.
Legacy: not too sure about the reliability of the 2.5 boxer engine (could be wrong though). I'm also afraid that the car would be harder to resell.
My offbeat tastes might be due to the fact that I'm also getting rid of a Mini Cooper, which has been my commuter car for the last 18 months.
I'll have to check out the 6. Too bad the engine is not the most economical. I wished they put a 6 speed automatic transmission in there.
#16289 of 20241 Re: Interested in feedback [azorglub]
Jan 30, 2011 (11:14 pm)
Does it have to have 4 doors? The reason I ask is because the new Mustang with the V6 that came out this year is very decent at 31mpg highway and has 300HP. It is everything that you want except it has 2 doors vs 4.
That's 19/31 with the new EPA MPG tests.
Cars Direct Price: Net Cost: $26,881 (including delivery)... and that's the base model convertible with the spoiler and automatic added.(!) 5K less for the coupe (Truecar BEST LOCAL PRICE: $20,253) , but the convertible is SO much nicer.
Yeah, you can keep your Accord or Camry.
Mazda 6 4 cylinder - 21/30 (24) 160HP 0-60: 8.1 seconds.
Accord 4 Cylinder - 21/31 (25) 190HP 0-60: 9.2 seconds
Camry 4 Cylinder - 21/31 (25) 169HP 0-60: 8.4 seconds
Mustang V6 - 19/31 (23) 305HP 0-60: 5.1 seconds
Just get the Mustang. If you absolutely need to fit people in back on a regular basis, get the convertible as getting in and out is a snap when the roof is down. And it looks awesome.
#16290 of 20241 Re: Interested in feedback [plekto]
Jan 31, 2011 (5:09 am)
The Mustang may have gotten 31 MPG in the EPA driving tests, but if you actually DRIVE a Mustang the way it's meant to be driven, you're looking at 20-22 MPG average. If the original poster is coming from a Mini Cooper, forget it. Considering he's also looking to carry 5 in a pinch, the Mustangs 4-seat capacity isn't very useful either.
I previously owned a '04 Mazda6 Sedan, and I upgraded to a '10 Mazda6 after checking out just about everything else in this class. In terms of driving dynamics, there simply isn't an equal. It still handles like it's on rails, the MUCH shorter turning radius is a welcome change, and the braking is still very good. Ride has smoothed out a little bit, but clipping apexes is still a joy.
I bought the S GT (with V6), so I can't help you on the fuel economy, but I've heard from other 4-cylinder owners that exceed 30 MPG on the highway on a regular basis. Plus, for '11, Mazda retuned the 4-cylinder to now get 22/31 MPG with the 5-speed automatic, without losing an ounce of hp or torque.
Unfortunately, the Optima wasn't out when I bought the 6, and I haven't tried one out for myself yet, but to me, the closest thing to the 6 was the Fusion Sport. Handling was very good, and the V6 power was nice, but the 6 had the edge in interior fit-and-finish and materials, and that's what sold me as well. I also tried out the CC (nice looker, but overpriced, and I've been scared by VW's (lack of) reliability as well).
Keep the 6 on your list.
#16291 of 20241 Re: Interested in feedback [azorglub]
Jan 31, 2011 (6:37 am)
Tried the Nissan Altima? It has all the things you're looking for and gets good gas mileage too. It's more comparable to the 6 than the Camry or Accord.
#16292 of 20241 Re: Interested in feedback [azorglub]
Jan 31, 2011 (7:15 am)
If you don't carry big people in back for long distances, you might also check out the cars with mid-sized interiors and compact interiors. For example, the Cruze is said to have a very quiet ride with good handling, has excellent fuel economy, and Bluetooth. Well under $30k even loaded. Another option is the new Elantra, which has a roomier back seat than some mid-sized cars (leg room) and with leather and Bluetooth is only about $20k list--and is rated 40 mpg highway. You'll sacrifice some interior and maybe trunk room with cars like these, and some power (these two have less than 150 hp), but they might be worth a check (e.g. if you look at the Sonata, check out the Elantra also). Also, another in this same kind of car is the Sentra--a little lower FE than the Cruze or Elantra though.
#16293 of 20241 Re: Interested in feedback [azorglub]
Jan 31, 2011 (7:23 am)
Camry V6 will zoom, get good mileage and be very quiet. It's just a floaty ride and steering. Personally I can not get past the Toyota interiors.
Accord is not too loud in my opinion. Depends on the person i guess. I also had no problem with the Optima's seats, that's the car I'm most likely getting.
I'd say try the Sonata and the Buick Regal. BTW what is your price range? Since you mentioned the CC you might also look at the Infiniti G25 or Acura TSX.
#16294 of 20241 Re: Interested in feedback [backy]
Jan 31, 2011 (7:26 am)
If you drive the Mustang like a hooligan, yes, it will get terrible MPG. But with 305HP, you just let it get to speed as quickly as the others you'd have to flog and then turn on cruise control for your commute.
It really does get a reliable 25mpg combined in real-world conditions. They recently did a test around a track and it got over 45mpg with someone hypermilling it. Note that it is a stock engine/transmission in the test car.
It's an entirely new engine and transmission and is the best thing Ford has in any of its cars to date. That it is within 1-2mpg of the other 4 cylinder cars is great. That it has the ability to drive crazy fast when you absolutely have to(or want a bit of sport in your day) is amazing. The convertible is just simply a blast and is easier to get in and out of, more fun by far, and is still within the OP's budget.
#16295 of 20241 Re: Interested in feedback [azorglub]
Jan 31, 2011 (7:30 am)
I saw your other post on the Optima. The seats are firm, but they're well-designed and very similar to the seats in many European cars. Perhaps you could take more time to get them adjusted -- so they can really distribute your weight evenly.
I have been very happy with my EX -- it's definitely better than most of the cars I've owned, and perhaps the best looking one.