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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#16151 of 20223 Re: VW Passat [aviboy97]
Jan 13, 2011 (2:06 pm)
I guess you didn't see the long list of features that VW has on the 2010 Passat that don't appear on the base models of competitors. So one could say that long list of features is what the other automakers "took out" to sell their mid-sized sedans starting at $20k. (Also consider what the it costs for a turbo Sonata or Optima--they charge a premium for that engine over the base engine.) Looks like VW is starting to play the same game as the others--including moving manufacturing to NA.
#16152 of 20223 Re: Passat [dash5]
Jan 13, 2011 (4:03 pm)
The Passat (much like the Hyundai Sonata) looks infinitely better in particular colors and at certain angles:
Translation: it's not inherently a very attractive car.
Jan 14, 2011 (6:02 am)
So I got a chance to go check out the vehicles at the Detroit Auto Show (NAIAS) yesterday. Based on floor traffic, Ford was rockin' but based on engineers measuring and benchmarking, Hyundai/Kia were pretty busy. There was a lot of activity in the GM booth around the Volt and the Sonic. Toyota's booth seemed almost empty except for a couple of Siennas. The Scion area was more about the booth then the vehicles, and the Lexus area was full of clipboards and measuring equipment.
As far as the mid-sizers go, the Hyundai seems to offer styling while the Kia is more driver oriented. I am curious to see how the Optima does with a Fusion in terms of driving feel and handling. Mazda had a very pedestrian looking Mazda6 on display. There were 3 Passats in the VW display...I think the color choices have a lot to do with how fancy it feels; the white/beige-yellow Passat GL felt very plain even though it was comfortable and had the power package. They over all package seemed plain but inoffensive. There were a few Legacys (Legacies?) there at various trim levels...that car got a lot bigger than our Legacy wagon. It does look like the rear seat would do better with child seats than our '05 wagon does. I didn't get to see the new Regal at the show although I've driven the base 4 cylinder a bit already. I am sure it was at the show, I just managed to miss it.
#16154 of 20223 Kia Taurus, Taurus Kia???
Jan 14, 2011 (8:14 am)
Latest commercial on TV for a Kia, could be the Optima, didn't listen, just caught glimpses as the DVR skipped through it, but I thought it was a Ford commercial for the Taurus, until I saw the Hyundai logo.
Anyone else noticed how similar they look at a glance? So Hyundai is copying Ford now, says a lot about Ford!
#16155 of 20223 Re: Kia Taurus, Taurus Kia??? [acdii]
Jan 14, 2011 (9:18 am)
Why would a Kia commercial have a Hyundai logo? Are you saying the Optima looks like the Taurus? Other than the fender vent, I dont see it.
#16156 of 20223 Re: midsizd car pics and reviews to the right [akirby]
Jan 14, 2011 (10:17 am)
Hahahahahahah...now that was funny...and probably just what we need to get this forum moving along. Akirby, thanks so much for the belly laugh you just gave me...priceless!!!
#16157 of 20223 Re: VW's NMS [gimmestdtranny]
Jan 14, 2011 (3:40 pm)
Can we please get back to the topic at hand, Mid sized sedans & stop the "tranny talk". Please ignore this post if we've already moved on...I'm still a few days back & it's getting a bit "tedious" already. T I A all.
#16158 of 20223 Re: Accord vs Camry vs Altima....NOT! [trainer1366]
Jan 14, 2011 (3:53 pm)
Marketing can only go so far, the Camry sells so well is because it gives folks what they want in a daily driver...it's not a "great car", but it must be doing something right. True, it does a lot of fleet sales but for the majority of folks, it just gets the job done in a comfortable way...who could ask for more?
#16160 of 20223 Re: Kia Taurus, Taurus Kia??? [acdii]
Jan 14, 2011 (5:19 pm)
Maybe it's me...I just don't see it.