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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#1568 of 20217 Re: Any news on the '08 Mazda6? [goodegg]
Jun 04, 2007 (5:59 pm)
and that 'hatred' might be a little strong. I have 2 big problems with Ford - 1) the historical fact that they have no ability to make a good smaller engine and 2) their current policies literally paying quite a number (thousands and thousands) of their employees not to work, the economic impact of which is, I guess, yet to be determined although I feel confident in saying that the upper midwestern states are generally hurting right now. What hurts those folks in Michigan, whether it be declining tax bases, swelling unemployment/welfare roles etc etc. MUST eventually hurt the rest of us as well.
Their cars are, however, improving - finally - albeit with some rather ancient technologies. It is a fact that as go the (what used to be) Big 3, so goes the country. It is better for all of us that Ford, if it can continue to mfgr. in this country, if it sells a bunch of whatever they attempt to sell and if it makes a good solid profit doing it, does well. A helluva lot of 'ifs'. Wish them luck actually, they will need it, because none of these things are happening now or are they likely to happen in the forseeable future. In which case, this great country of ours will be facing the biggest business failure in history.
to get back on this thread though, I'd hate to see truly good 'niche' cars like the Mazda 3/6s (blown 4 bangers notwithstanding), go down with the ship. My prediction - by 2010 or 12 Mazda will be sold off in a last ditch effort by its parent company to stay afloat and a few years later will become again the innovative and independent company (Toyo Koygo(?)) they once were.
#1569 of 20217 Re: Any news on the '08 Mazda6? [captain2]
Jun 04, 2007 (6:03 pm)
the historical fact that they (Ford) have no ability to make a good smaller engine...
Depends on your definition of "good" I guess. The 2.5L in the Contour SVT, the 170hp 4-cyl in the Focus SVT, and the 3.4L from the last SHO Taurus come to mind as "better than average" engines (for their time).
#1570 of 20217 Re: What do you want from your midsize sedan? Top Ten [thegraduate]
Jun 04, 2007 (6:04 pm)
" I know a few people in this forum who would argue that the Accord and Camry float by on name alone"
That'd be me your waving the wacking stick at AGAIN. I never said this you did. I simply state the Accord/Camry have a whole lot riding on a PAST reputation. Reputations fade. I am just one consumer who saw past all the CR.. and went back to spending less on vehicles, saving thousands of dollars in both interest and initial cost. Got rid of my Accord and never looked back..
#1571 of 20217 Re: What do you want from your midsize sedan? Top Ten [jd10013]
Jun 04, 2007 (6:07 pm)
"I doubt it too. Nameplate may get someone into the dealership for a test drive, but I doubt many people will spend 20-30k just bassed on name."
Wrong, I have a friend who actually manages a Honda dealership. His sales people alway use the Honda reliability card. Bashing other makes/models.. using the scare tactics.. It was used on me when I bought my Accord in 2000 and I FELL for it... Not again, never.. Once bitten, twice shy..
#1572 of 20217 Re: What do you want from your midsize sedan? Top Ten [scape2]
Jun 04, 2007 (6:10 pm)
Why do you say this? Backy is someone who didn't get a Honda and bought a Hyundai (IIRC) because it offered a better value to him. Others buying Mazda 6s for a discount price are getting more value for their money, and not buying a shining H or T on the hood. It's not just you. Some see the Accord and Camry as appliances that are overpriced. Fair enough. Perception is an individual thing.
The thing is, its not that you "saw past the CR." You didn't like the car. Saying you don't like the car is perfectly valid. I didn't pick up a Consumer Reports before getting my Honda, so that alone makes "seeing past it" quite difficult. I DROVE the car, and compared it with other cars I DROVE. You can't make a judgement from words and pictures, you have to feel it.
Those that buy it (as has been said before) likely don't spend $20,000 on a car that someone else likes that they don't care for. They had to like it too, unless they've been labotomized.
#1573 of 20217 Re: Flat Rock Michigan plant [captain2]
Jun 04, 2007 (6:10 pm)
This is a joke. Do you even know how many people Ford employs in the U.S. compared to Toyota, nonetheless Honda?? Looks like Toyota/Honda PR compaign has worked on you! Bet you didn't know Toyota counts its dealership personel and other infrastructe! Surprise.. And you are wrong again with saying many parts of the Mustang are made in Mexico. Get your facts straight and stop spreading rumors.. This is the reason why I get so ticked off in this forum
#1575 of 20217 Re: What do you want from your midsize sedan? Top Ten [scape2]
Jun 04, 2007 (6:12 pm)
It was used on me when I bought my Accord in 2000 and I FELL for it... Not again, never.. Once bitten, twice shy..
Someone told you the car was reliable, even though the engine was loud and not refined to you you still bought it? Why buy something on reliability alone?
I just can't fathom spending $5,000 or more without trying out what I'm buying first (be it a TV, boat, car, or anything).
#1576 of 20217 Re: Flat Rock Michigan plant [scape2]
Jun 04, 2007 (6:14 pm)
What does this have to do with midsize sedans? This is the reason I get ticked off... Wouldn't this go better in the "media" forum?
#1577 of 20217 Re: Flat Rock Michigan plant [captain2]
Jun 04, 2007 (6:16 pm)
"but the fact is that they are likely doing what they have to - to survive, although you have to wonder how those 'Japanese' cos., for example, can make a fortune building what they do here."
I can explain this to you.. TAX BREAKS.. I have personally been to one of these transplants you love... Hate to burst your bubble. But here goes. Americans ASSEMBLE the cars only. Most of the high paying, skilled work force is Japanese. Most of the tooling is Japanese, all of the replacement parts for the tooling.. Japanese. Should I go on?