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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#15385 of 18168 Re: 2011 Mazda6 [aviboy97]
Aug 11, 2010 (11:36 pm)
Ford definitely put a little more effort into the Fiesta, no doubt. The Mazda2 we see is virtually the same as it has been for the past couple years, outside of a few different styling cues. I will say, when sitting inside the Mazda2, it is not as cheap as it seems. It is put together very well. It could be better, though, especially with the quality of all their other vehicles.
Actually even though they both came out at roughly the same time, they really don't share all that much in common with one another. I don't know all of the specifics about what each car shares with the other but I believe its very little if anything at all. The Fiesta is a european car that Ford pretty much brought straight over from europe and only changed what they needed to do to make the car legal for U.S. roads and laws. The Mazda2 is a vehicle brought from Japan.
That said I've driven both of these vehicles (w/ the manual tranny) and they are very different cars. I drive about 60k per year (I currently have a 2010 fusion sport with 46k miles), looking for a car with better mpg. The Mazda2 is a great city car that is a lot of fun to drive as long as your drive is no longer than an hour or two. And the performance in the straight line is really really really sluggish.
The ford on the other hand is a lot more solid feeling and seems like a much larger car. It handles very well and in the straight line if feels very eager and fun to go through the gears. The styling is better and not as weird to look at, not to mention that the mazda is a much simpler car than the Fiesta. These two cars are great because they are both designed to do two very different missions in life.
BTW. FYI, Mazda is still owned in part by Ford, only 13% currently, but hey still part.
Aug 13, 2010 (11:26 am)
Personally like the looks of the Fiesta better than the Mazda2...outside looks sportier and a much better dash layout. But out current Mazda 3s has been great up to a month ago, so think the wife would prefer the Mazda. We've had a Ford and a couple of Lincoln Continentals growing up & all 3 were crap compared to our Cadillacs, so not sure if I could ever purchase another Ford. The Fiesta would have to be an exceptional car to even be considered. But if the wife got such a small car, she'd need the one with the most powerful auto tranny. But coming from a 2.3 to a 1.6 will probably not work for her.
Wish I could find a small car with a 2.0 engine that would make her happy. She won't go any larger than her current M3s and would be happy dropping down a size. We don't need a large car anymore as we already have 4 cars for us and the girls and anticipate having to purchace a fifth for our just graduated boy to start his new job. Not sure what we're gonna do!
#15387 of 18168 Re: Fiesta Vs. Mazda 2 [sandman_6472]
Aug 13, 2010 (1:02 pm)
If wife needs a small car about the size of the Mazda3, you should show her the 2011 Elantra when it's out. It will likely continue its heritage of having a mid-sized interior and compact exterior, but will have a new DI I4 (might actually be smaller than the current 2.0 Beta II, but with at least as much power if not more), 6AT, high fuel economy, and the looks of a mini-Sonata (some think it actually looks better than the Sonata). Another nice midsize-inside/compact-outside car is the Sentra. I am leasing one now and I find it's a smooth and comfortable car, with plenty of room and excellent FE with its 2.0L CVT. Best car I could find for $179/mo. with 0 out of pocket.
Aug 13, 2010 (1:19 pm)
That is one that I've already planned on showing her...we done the Sentra thing and had bad luck... yet, the kids versa is a great vehicle so far. She really likes the other girls Accent, but I think she'll like the Elantra's extra power, which she's used to. Our time frame is for a 2012 model which will work out great. brike my 1st year model with my '06 Civic & don't want to repeat that again!
#15390 of 18168 Re: G25 arives in September [dash5]
Aug 13, 2010 (4:07 pm)
IMO, a car starting at $31k doesn't belong in this discussion. If it did, we'd have to add several other cars to this discussion. All the cars on the right start close to $20k, with the exception of the current Passat. And I've read the new Passat will be priced lower than the current one. $10k+, or 50%, is a huge difference in starting price. Yes, the G25 has a V6, but the cars on the right offer a V6 or a like-powered turbo for much less than $31k.
#15391 of 18168 Re: G25 arives in September [backy]
Aug 13, 2010 (4:54 pm)
IMO, a car starting at $31k doesn't belong in this discussion.
Nor do the Mazda2 and Fiesta.
#15392 of 18168 Re: G25 arives in September [stephen987]
Aug 13, 2010 (6:31 pm)
I agree, they are not mid-sized cars by any stretch of the imagination. Being formally accepted in this discussion vs. a mention in an occasional post are two different things, however.
Just my 2 cents... since the question was asked.
#15393 of 18168 Fusion 3.0 vs 3.5
Aug 15, 2010 (9:30 am)
Most people who have test driven the Sport vs SEL dont notice a power difference mainly beacuse the engines need to learn, which takes at least 1500 miles or more being driven by the same driver. Also keep in mind the 3.0 and 3.5 use different transmissions. After about 10k on the two cars, the Sport will smoke the SEL. The 3.5 has a different power band and the trans connected to it is designed to maximize that power band. If you drove the Sport AWD, it will feel more like the 3.0 due to the parasitic losses of the AWD transmission and Center differential. My Sport easily smokes the front tire with very little effort, and after 20k miles, looks like I may need to get new front tires soon. Due soon for its next oil change, so i will get the tires rotated again. I should get a few more miles out of them then.
Had ford decided to drop the 3.5 DI Ecoboost in the Fusion, it would be one that could blow the doors off most cars out there, including some of those very high priced "luxury" models. I have the Flex with ecoboost and it easily does 0-60 in just under 6 seconds. It is a 4600# box, so imagine that power in a 3600# aerodynamic car like the fusion. It is also tuned down in the Flex, the Taurus has 10 more HP. 360HP 355 Torque in the Sport, LOOK OUT!
#15394 of 18168 Re: Fusion 3.0 vs 3.5 [acdii]
Aug 15, 2010 (10:43 am)
I seriously doubt that the front clip in the Fusion could withstand the 3.5L EB torque. When they first put that engine in the Taurus it totally destroyed the front end in just a few minutes, necessitating a totally new front clip for the Taurus and Flex to handle the torque (this is sometimes referred to as the D4 platform since there were also changes made to the rear suspension IIRC from the original D3 platform).
It could be done but probably costs too much at this point to do that much reengineering on a lame duck platform (scheduled to be replaced by a jointly engineered CD4 Fusion/Mondeo replacement in 2 or 3 years).