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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#15332 of 18184 Fusion styling by cannon3

Aug 01, 2010 (4:39 pm)

A friend of mine just bought a 2010 Fusion V6 SEL in silver. I own a 2006 SEL V6 in the same light silver color. For grins we parked them side by side and did about 1 hour of comparing. I like the interior of the new 10 Fusion much better than my 06. However, personally I wish Ford would have stuck with the stacked head lamp look. I feel this looks better. My friend says the 06 style had a bit too much chrome in the front areas for his taste. Styling is a personal choice, as we all know. He is happy and satisfied with his decision to buy a Fusion. Oh, and the tweaked 3.0 in the 2010 is also noticeable improvement over my 06 3.0. Power bump is noticeable.

#15333 of 18184 Sonata or Optima by netranger4

Aug 01, 2010 (11:34 pm)

Am wondering if anyone has experience with either of these cars when the mileage is above 75,000 miles?
 
There are a number of comments both positive and negative regarding these vehicles. Recently the longtime reigning longevity champions have come under
attack for declining quality in some areas.
 
Your input is most appreciated.

#15334 of 18184 netranger4... by iluvmysephia1

Aug 02, 2010 (3:13 am)

by the "reigning longevity champions" do you mean Toyota and their Camry and Honda and their Accord? I don't think that either the Kia Optima or the Hyundai Sonata would have that many owners with miles over 75,000 to chime in on here for their car's longevity or their car's problems with one thing or the other. But then again, I have certainly been wrong before.
 
Please splane yerself futher, mister.

#15335 of 18184 Re: netranger4... [iluvmysephia1] by netranger4

Aug 02, 2010 (7:38 am)

Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Aug 02, 2010 3:13 am)
Hi there iluv:
 
Yes, I was referring to the CamCord vehicles. According to postings on various websites and blogs, some of these cars have been virtually trouble free, while others have been repeatedly plagued with minor problems or major recalls.
 
Checking my local dealers I'm finding two year old (08) Optimas and Sonatas with well over 40k miles on the clock. Granted these are high milers, mostly from rental and fleet leases. I recently came across an '08 Optima EX with 44K which was traded in by a private owner. The '09's which are now showing up on used car lots have between 25-35K miles indicated. That would indicate an average yearly mileage of around 20-22K for privately owned vehicles, more for rentals.
 
Spectras from rental fleets are also showing up with mileages in the same range as the Optima/Sonata cars. I did see two Spectras one '05 and one '04 with over 100K.
 
From multiple sites, comments that some private owners put as much as 25-30K on their cars annually commuting or work related, then 75K is not an unreasonable
mileage to inquire about as to long-term ownership and durability of the Optima/Sonata vehicles.
 
It seems logical that an '06, '06.5 or an '07 would have mileage near or over the 75K mark.
 
An acquaintance of mine buys for several major dealers and he reports that there are cars of vintages ranging from '04 onward showing up with well over 100K and as high as 150K going thru the auctions. He's been in the business for over 13 years and he said that he'd never seen so much high mileage junk going thru the auctions for ridiculous prices in his experience.
 
There are owners out there who put between 25-30K per year on their cars. These are the owners who can more accurately indicate what problems presented themselves as the vehicle aged.

#15336 of 18184 Re: Sonata or Optima [netranger4] by explorerx4

Aug 02, 2010 (7:00 pm)

Replying to: netranger4 (Aug 01, 2010 11:34 pm)
don't have real experience with the vehicles you are asking about, but i see people at work who had '02-03 Hyundai's replacing them with new ones.

#15337 of 18184 Re: netranger4... [netranger4] by mz6greyghost

Aug 03, 2010 (4:42 am)

Replying to: netranger4 (Aug 02, 2010 7:38 am)
An acquaintance of mine buys for several major dealers and he reports that there are cars of vintages ranging from '04 onward showing up with well over 100K and as high as 150K going thru the auctions. He's been in the business for over 13 years and he said that he'd never seen so much high mileage junk going thru the auctions for ridiculous prices in his experience.
 
By "junk", is he referring to used cars in general or Hyundai/Kia in particular?
 
Either way, it sounds he's ignorant of the market in general over the past 2 years.
 
Used-car prices in general have gone way up, simply because inventories are lower than they have been in years. Between the Cash for Clunkers deals last year removing a lot of potential used vehicles off the road, and the fact that new-car sales were terrible until a few months ago (and they still haven't reached pre-recession levels), owners are holding on to their vehicles for longer periods of time, keeping them from flooding the used-car market. Many others who usually bought new simply chose to buy used due to tighter financial budgets as well.
 
As for Hyundai/Kia, they've made HUGE improvements over the past five years, so much that I'm not surprised about their pricing for used cars. I don't see any problem choosing a used Sonata/Optima over the tons of Malibu/Taurus vehicles that are available. I also know of current Sonata/Optima owners that have replaced older models with new ones, as well as a person that just bought their second USED Hyundai (each for their daughters, and both are running well).

#15338 of 18184 Re: netranger4... [mz6greyghost] by m6user

Aug 03, 2010 (11:00 am)

Replying to: mz6greyghost (Aug 03, 2010 4:42 am)
Either way, it sounds he's ignorant of the market in general over the past 2 years
 
That's pretty harsh. If he is and has been in the business for the past 13 years as the OP said, he should certainly not be ignorant of the market and undoubtedly more aware than you or I. I don't know if you work in the auto auction business but it sounds like he was just making the comment that he considered the prices for some used cars too high and historically speaking they are too high in his opinion thus "high mileage junk at ridiculous prices". Sounds to me that he is totally aware of market conditions but doesn't have to agee with them.

#15339 of 18184 Re: netranger4... [mz6greyghost] by aviboy97

Aug 03, 2010 (11:28 am)

Replying to: mz6greyghost (Aug 03, 2010 4:42 am)
Used-car prices in general have gone way up
 
You can say that again....
 
I cannot buy a used car at an auction for anywhere remotely close to book value. I have to almost pay retail to get these cars now. Every dealer is in the same boat as well. Don't be surprised to see used car prices go waaaay up from what they have been the past few months.
 
Just an example to stay with the topic of this thread, 3 months ago, I bought two 2008 Mazda6 i Sport Value Editions with automatic transmissions for around $11,700 with 30,000 miles from Manheim in Florida (I live in CT). Today, to buy the same car I'm looking at $13,000++.

#15340 of 18184 Re: netranger4... [aviboy97] by akirby

Aug 03, 2010 (11:36 am)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 03, 2010 11:28 am)
Anybody see a pattern?
 
New car prices fall due to bloated inventories and huge rebates and competition.
Used car prices fall.
 
New car prices rise due to production cutbacks and fewer incentives.
Used car prices rise.

#15341 of 18184 Re: netranger4... [aviboy97] by jeffyscott

Aug 03, 2010 (11:53 am)

Replying to: aviboy97 (Aug 03, 2010 11:28 am)
2008 Mazda6 i Sport Value Editions with automatic transmissions...$13,000++.
 
That is what I own and mine has that same mileage, only difference is it is a 2007. I paid $16,000 for it as a new car...I guess I've not suffered much depreciation so far.
 
So maybe the letters we have gotten about dealers wanting to buy our vehicles for top dollar (even got one for our 1997 Windstar ) are actually legitimate and not just a ploy to sell us a car?

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