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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#15237 of 20239 Optima/Sonata and the competition
Jun 27, 2010 (3:28 am)
Well since the actual prices seem to be a bit contested, I'll just say this, if a loaded Sonata turbo with NAV is 30k MSRP that's a bargain. If it's 31k that's about even with the competition and if it's 32k it's butting up against losing a "value" status if not outright overpriced.
Here's what I'm getting for the competitions V6 loaded vehicles. I didnt include things like headrest DVD players. Mostly just typically equipped options on their top of the line V6:
2010 Honda Accord EX-L V-6 4dr Sedan w/Navigation (3.5L 6cyl 5A) $31,105
2010 Nissan Altima 3.5 SR 4dr Sedan (3.5L 6cyl CVT) $31,965
2011 Toyota Camry XLE 4dr Sedan (3.5L 6cyl 6A) $31,475
So again unless all of the big 3 in this segment are outpricing themselves and driving people to their upper tier Infinitis and Acuras, Sonata seems to be placed just right if it is in fact 30k. If it's 32k they are overpricing it.
#15238 of 20239 Re: Malibu interior [m6user]
Jun 27, 2010 (7:19 am)
Yes. Hideously cheap.
#15239 of 20239 Re: 2011 Kia Optima prices [plekto]
Jun 27, 2010 (7:21 am)
...but go test drive a G37 journey. It feels like a BMW.
It should--it's priced like a BMW.
#15240 of 20239 Re: 2011 Kia Optima prices [m6user]
Jun 27, 2010 (7:21 am)
so true man! In all the years of car shopping and even just looking at cars, I have never, ever seen a TL or G37 on the lots with prices that low! Never! They are always at least semi loaded up and certain accessories added to them. So the prices, in fact are a few thousands more than those prices he listed!
#15241 of 20239 Re: 2011 Kia Optima prices [plekto]
Jun 27, 2010 (7:24 am)
Sorry man, but those are apples to oranges comparisons. A TL and G37 DOES NOT compete against the Sonata nor do I think that someone would ever cross shop them.
Sonata - Accord - Altima - Camry - Fusion - Malibu - Legacy - Mazda 6
Those are the more accurate comparisons
#15242 of 20239 Re: Malibu interior [backy]
Jun 27, 2010 (9:56 am)
Yeah, I gave you that one!
#15243 of 20239 Re: 2011 Kia Optima prices [smarty666]
Jun 27, 2010 (10:26 am)
It is apples to oranges but I, for one, would cross shop them. I have an Infiniti and love it. If I can dicker and get a comparable equipped G37 for within $4k of Hyundai I would do it all day long. Problem is that when you equip them the same with NAV and all the street price difference is at least $7k and puts it in a different league. However, the new G25 is going to be very interesting. If they simply take the G37 Journey w/premium pkg....stick a small v6 in it, call it the G25 and if the street price is about 30k then that would be something that would be very tempting.
I don't know where to put the Maxima in that scenario except out to pasture. I would rather have a v6 Altima(regular gas, 27mpg hwy) decked out for $27k(street price) or the Infiniti G25 for a couple of grand more than the Maxima. I love the styling of the Maxima but by coming out with the G25, Nissan is kind of forcing it's own hand with the Maxima IMO.
#15244 of 20239 Re: 2011 Kia Optima prices [m6user]
Jun 27, 2010 (10:32 am)
Isn't the Optima bigger than the G37 ? How does it compare size-wise with the Infiniti M? I really like the G's but they seem a bit small for a couple of oldsters. Now the M gets my pulse up a bit. Problem is the cost. I believe folks were buying 2010 M's for mid-thirties before the new 2011's debuted. Had i been in the market then may have given them a serious look. Bad timing.
#15245 of 20239 Re: 2011 Kia Optima prices [jayrider]
Jun 27, 2010 (10:41 am)
You're right. They are quite different automobiles but to my knowledge are both midsized 4dr sedans. The G37 is a smaller sport sedan while the Sonata and Optima are midsized family sedans. The M is so far removed pricewise from those other cars that it's not worth discussing. You're right again that there were(and are) some fantastic prices on the 2010 model Ms but even then I think the street prices were more to the high 30s.
#15246 of 20239 Re: 2011 Kia Optima prices [m6user]
Jun 27, 2010 (11:29 am)
Saw a couple of 09 M35x sedans -- less than 10k miles cpo for low 30's.In 15 months when my murano lease runs out may check something like that out. Very plush -- will have to test drive one next year.