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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#14756 of 20226 Re: This is the... [iluvmysephia1]
Apr 19, 2010 (3:36 am)
The 2011 Hyundai Sonata no doubt would be much like the 2009 Toyota Camry I rented from Sea-Tac airport. Floaty and non-descript. Dullsville.
Haha it is very obvious you have not driven a 2011 Sonata, and especially not the SE. There is no comparison to the cushy Toyota Camry - the Sonata has equal or better handling than anything in the segment right now. Why don't you just save yourself $5000 and skip the Kizashi, buy a Forte Koup SX if you are looking for a boy-racer car that isn't really that fast.
Apr 19, 2010 (4:01 am)
I have been reading these "personal preference" comments between the big "S" and new Sonata's styling trying to be neutral or at least quiet. I tried to keep a "to each his own" kind of attitude but now you went way too far with that statement. My comment on that one is..you have to be kidding!!! By the way for the record I love the new Sonata, don't exactly dislike (but would not buy), the Suzuki except for the supersize me "S" on the grille which I hate. I am going back to my observing mode now but your comment about the Sonota is ridiculous...period!
#14758 of 20226 I will go on record as saying that...
Apr 19, 2010 (4:15 am)
try as Hyundai may or try as Hyundai might, they just can't seem to match Mitsubishi or Kia or Suzuki in the styling department. Their designs either come out weird looking or bland.
Kia body designs have flow and purpose, Hyundai's reach like Kobe Bryant for reason but fall far too short.
Let's hope OKC flattens LAL in the NBA playoffs. If not OKC, the Laker's next opponent.
Case in point, here's the 2011 Kia Optima.
2011 Kia Optima
And here's the 2011 Hyundai Sonata.
2011 Hyundai Sonata
Using all of your...ummm...senses, please compare the above photos and then come back ta the class and tell us what you all think.
I rest my case.
#14759 of 20226 Can Hyundai design decent cars...
Apr 19, 2010 (4:27 am)
oh for heaven's sake they can. The Genesis Coupe is well done body-design wise.
It's just that when you go to the midsizers, Hyundai seems ta be tearing their grey hairs out stretching for viable competing answers to Kia's 2011 Optima or the 2010 Suzuki Kizashi GTS or the 2011 Suzuki Kizashi Sport.
#14760 of 20226 Re: My preference [backy]
Apr 19, 2010 (5:20 am)
I've been trying to convince my wife of that for years... no luck, though
I don't have that problem. After getting used to a V6, my wife doesn't want another 4cyl. I keep telling her that 4cyl's are way better than they used to be, but she just gives me "the look". I'll have to talk her into driving a modern 4cyl to convince her.
#14761 of 20226 Re: My preference [bobad]
Apr 19, 2010 (5:23 am)
So your wife is saying that size does matter?
#14762 of 20226 Re: My preference [captain2]
Apr 19, 2010 (5:29 am)
Now, of course, while the mfgrs can still set up almost anything to do well in government tests, technology has now provided a new way for the mfgrs to effectively falsify real world results - the computer.
I don't think they "falsify" anything, but I'm sure they massage the numbers to a fare-thee-well.
Car makers are already getting desperate to improve their fleet mileage, and there is still 4 years to go until the 35mpg standard must be met. I think we'll see weaker, noisier, less comfortable cars in the mid size segment as a result of the upcoming government restrictions.
#14763 of 20226 Kizashi: OK but not a knockout [iluvmysephia1]
Apr 19, 2010 (5:50 am)
Something tells me Hyundai isn't worried about its own company selling the Optima, or a niche-market low-volume Kizashi. They're watching the bigger fish; the Camry, the Accord, the Fusion, the Altima, etc.
Hate to say it iluv, but the number large of pics as you've posted here aren't selling me on the Suzuki. If anything, they're reminding me that it's just another rolling blob, like most other midsizers out there. No real points stand out as particularly aesthetically pleasing. It doesn't offend but it doesn't attract, either. Par for the segment, I suppose.
#14764 of 20226 Re: My preference [bob ad]
Apr 19, 2010 (5:51 am)
There is nothing weak about the modern 4 cylinder engine.Do you know that for many years the Indy cars were all powered by a 4 cyl Offy?They were pretty fast even back in the day.
I am an old timer( ) and I can tell you that even my 2006.5 Optima 4 has more HP than my 1952 Lincoln V8 or an 52 Olds 98 Rocket V8.The new Hyundai 4s are rated at 200 HP,that should be enough for anything but the drag strip.
I think the ford flat head v8 was less than 110 Hp, and it was fun to drive.
#14765 of 20226 Re: I will go on record as saying that... [iluvmysephia1]
Apr 19, 2010 (5:58 am)
I would use another sports analogy for Kia's styling, especially for the new Optima: they put forth a great effort for most of the game, but just can't seem to finish. Note for example the hideous wheels on the Optima picture. Also the front grille looks very cheap to me--what's with the chrome surround on what would otherwise be a bold and sporty-looking grille? I'm not crazy about the C pillar either; the one thing it has going for it is you don't see it on every other mid-sized sedan. Maybe there's a reason for that, though.
I have this suspicion the 2011 Optima will actually look better in the "normal" trim, with wheels and grille that blend in better with the rest of the car.
BTW, you asserted that Mitsubishi's designs are better looking than Hyundai's. Personally, I'd take the Sonata every day and twice on Sunday over the Galant. Looks like most car buyers would, also, based on sales.