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#14219 of 18220 Four-Door Faceoff by revit

Mar 06, 2010 (2:27 pm)

From the April 2010 issue of Popular Mechanics, rating midsize sedans with four-cylinder engines and automatic transmissions since they make up the majority of the sales in this class:
 
Mazda 6 - The winner
2nd place - Honda Accord tied with Subaru Legacy tied with Nissan Altima
3rd place - Ford Fusion
4th place - Chevy Malibu
5th place - Suzuki Kizashi tied with Toyota Camry
 
Interesting noted; ALL cars but the Suzuki Kizashi and Toyota Camry were noted for excellent interior quality. For the Camry "The interior that was once lauded for its quality feel now seems cheaply made, with poor panel fitment and low-rent materials.

#14220 of 18220 Re: Four-Door Faceoff [revit] by backy

Mar 06, 2010 (2:41 pm)

Replying to: revit (Mar 06, 2010 2:27 pm)
Too bad they couldn't wait another month and include the newest member of the mid-sized sedans class in the comparo. Also, where was the Optima??

#14221 of 18220 Re: Four-Door Faceoff [revit] by acdii

Mar 06, 2010 (3:58 pm)

Replying to: revit (Mar 06, 2010 2:27 pm)
For the Camry "The interior that was once lauded for its quality feel now seems cheaply made, with poor panel fitment and low-rent materials.
 
Oh? Sounds like they made an improvement over the 2009 Model.
 
I don't know if they reuse the displays from one show to the next, but Toyota needs to seriously find a different company to put their display together, or at least get someone to proof read what they plan to display. They have the Sienna display, the one where the man looses his cohonies, "daddy likes", on one pillar they had in rather large letters a line about their back seat entertainment center. They really need to get a better understanding of words, because duel means to fight, but what they really were trying to spell out was the dual-view video system.
 
Needless to say I LMFAO. I took a few pictures for posterity too.

#14222 of 18220 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [marvin6] by syitalian25

Mar 07, 2010 (7:37 am)

Replying to: marvin6 (Feb 27, 2010 12:18 pm)
I did some shopping around for my 2011 Sonata SE's insurance and got to $640 every 6 months with Progressive.. which I didn't think was all that bad.
 
Several other companies wanted to charge as much as $440 a month (are they kidding me? Thats more than the car payments!!) I think mostly because it wasn't in their system yet and they knew almost nothing about it. So it definitely depends on the company. I previously got almost the same quote on a 2010 Sonata SE V6 as well. I just ran the 2010 Ford Fusion Sport through the online quote system and you are right, $621 for 6 months. Not a huge difference but I'm still surprised.

#14223 of 18220 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [syitalian25] by caseybru

Mar 07, 2010 (7:56 am)

Replying to: syitalian25 (Mar 07, 2010 7:37 am)
We have our car with Farmer's [ Mid Century ]. The car is full coverage. We pick up our 2011 Sonata next Tuesday. Our insurance right now is $288 for 6 months. It will go to $365 for 6 months for the 2011. We live in Ca. We have our vehicles [ car, truck, and motor cycle ] and home through Farmers. We have clean driving records. I am 72 and wife is 68. Hope this helps.

#14224 of 18220 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [caseybru] by midas69

Mar 07, 2010 (8:09 am)

Replying to: caseybru (Mar 07, 2010 7:56 am)
I live in the city of Chicago, so insurance rates are high. But when I switched from my 2007 Camry to the 2011 Sonata my insurance went up about $5 a month. Pretty comparable to the original price I was paying when the Camry was new. BTW, that's through State Farm.

#14225 of 18220 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [syitalian25] by plekto

Mar 07, 2010 (12:24 pm)

Replying to: syitalian25 (Mar 07, 2010 7:37 am)
Several other companies wanted to charge as much as $440 a month (are they kidding me? Thats more than the car payments!!)
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Yet another reason to find a 2-4 year old version of most anything and not but new. Insurance and the first 2-3 years registration is a hidden "tax" that most car buyers don't begin to factor into the price.
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True Cost to OwnŽ
___________Year 1 Year 2 Year 3 Year 4 Year 5 5-yr Total
Depreciation $7,257 $2,096 $1,845 $1,635 $1,467 $14,300
Taxes & Fees $2,467 $147 $133 $121 $111 $2,979
Financing...... $1,452 $1,170 $868 $544 $197 $4,231
Insurance...... $1,976 $2,045 $2,117 $2,191 $2,223 $10,552
 
Ouch? That first year is brutal and essentially a luxury tax in disguise. Even by year two, it's reasonable. (this is on the above mentioned Sonata SE)

#14226 of 18220 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [plekto] by m6user

Mar 07, 2010 (4:29 pm)

Replying to: plekto (Mar 07, 2010 12:24 pm)
Don't forget that you still have to pay a significant amount of sales tax in year two or three or whenever you buy unless you live in New Hampshire(no sales tax) or live in a state that doesn't tax used vehicles(I don't know of any). Also, you have to add back in some of that depreciation unless you are lucky enough to be able to buy wholesale. Still a better deal from a strict financial viewpoint I won't argue.
 
However, I think most people realize there is a big dollar penalty in buying new. A lot of people save and skrimp for years just to be able to buy that brand spanking new car every 7-10 years. It is just as important to them to have that new car smell as it is to you to save money. Other want to know that the car they're buying has not been abused and they're willing to pay a price for that. To each their own.

#14227 of 18220 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [m6user] by kdshapiro

Mar 07, 2010 (5:45 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Mar 07, 2010 4:29 pm)
It's always better financially to buy a 2 to 3 year old car. Better than that financially is a 5 year old or 10 year clunker for $1000. But where is the line in the sand for who decides how much a car should be used before it really becomes a good value? Where is the line in the sand that dictates how much a car is before it becomes overpriced and out of range.
 
One mans overpriced vehicle is anothers chump change (King Of Dubai silver Audi) and anothers persons very affordable Rolls is a stupid purchase to some.
 
Everybody has to decide for themselves. Plekto is at the 2 or 3 year mark, I'm at the new mark.

#14228 of 18220 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [kdshapiro] by lilengineerboy

Mar 07, 2010 (7:52 pm)

Replying to: kdshapiro (Mar 07, 2010 5:45 pm)
It's always better financially to buy a 2 to 3 year old car. Better than that financially is a 5 year old or 10 year clunker for $1000. But where is the line in the sand for who decides how much a car should be used before it really becomes a good value? Where is the line in the sand that dictates how much a car is before it becomes overpriced and out of range.
  
One mans overpriced vehicle is anothers chump change (King Of Dubai silver Audi) and anothers persons very affordable Rolls is a stupid purchase to some
 
Eh, I think this is pretty easy to document...a new car cost (payment, insurance, registration, depreciation maybe) vs a used car (same, but with increased maintenance/repair, not as advanced, which could be good or bad, etc)
 
When I got rid of the '93 Accord for the '07, its maintenance costs had peaked and I was spending more on repairs than a car payment would be. So I bought a then new car that was already outdated (no MP3/iPod stereo in '07, puleeze ). But alas, a smarter purchase would've been a used domestic, but there was nothing in '04-06 that I really liked from the moderately sized 3.

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