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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#14203 of 20220 Re: Digging the Legacy [jimbres]
Mar 05, 2010 (10:32 am)
I rented a 4 cylinder version of the new Subaru Legacy sedan two weeks ago, and was less than impressed by its performance. It was singularly pokey - you could literally floor the accelerator and then wait for several seconds before the car responded. The 3.6 liter six may be more responsive than that - even with an automatic transmission. But still ... I just wasn't impressed.
Granted, I am not a particular fan of Subaru. I had bad luck with a 2000 Legacy Outback that I used to own - the car had a lot of first year model manufacturing bugs and recalls, and it was expensive to maintain (even before it started developing the common head gasket issues that plague Subaru boxer engines). It needed significant engine repairs at just 75K miles, so I got rid of it.
Agree that it would be a good idea to wait on the new Legacy until 2011. But I would seriously look at the competition (particularly Ford and Hyundai - the Fusion is a very solid car, and the new Hyundai Sonata is a knockout).
#14204 of 20220 Re: Digging the Legacy [bokonon3]
Mar 05, 2010 (1:30 pm)
I rented a 4 cylinder version of the new Subaru Legacy sedan two weeks ago, and was less than impressed by its performance. It was singularly pokey - you could literally floor the accelerator and then wait for several seconds before the car responded.
Yeah, the 4 cylinder non-turbo barely cuts it in our smaller/lighter wagon with the manual; I think a bigger vehicle with a CVT would be painful. I don't feel like it's underpowered, but I don't feel like it has any extra either.
#14205 of 20220 Re: Did my final test drives [midas69]
Mar 05, 2010 (2:15 pm)
I also wonder about "old fogies" getting into these sporty new cars. Two years ago I bought my first motorcycle and passed my Ca.DMV M1 test. This year I am buying the 2011 SE, but I am only 72 as of January 30th. Don't know what I might try when I get old. I admit that I decided the sun roof and Nav pac was just too dad burn highfalootin for me.I will take the bar-b-q over the micky wave any day..Caseybru
#14206 of 20220 Re: manual [ingvar]
Mar 05, 2010 (2:46 pm)
Smart Car Terminator(tm) saves money of Smart Car drivers. How? No need for a coffin:)
Heh, Mine's an old 4Runner with three inch steel bull bars, skid plates, and a whole slew of other 4x4 goodies on it(all well used and in various stages of rust, thankyouverymuch). Yet I'm not nearly the largest thing out there. Maybe the oldest and most anti-yuppie thing in my town, but no way am I the largest. I figure 1 out of every 3 vehicles I see is a pickup, SUV, large mega-van(not so mini-van any more are they...), or worse yet, a delivery van or commercial vehicle.
You seriously have about a 1:3 chance of something larger hitting you in an accident in a normal car. In a Yaris, it's a disaster waiting to happen. But maybe you survive as the car sacrifices itself to save you... maybe. Not happening in a Smart.
It's also why as much as I adore small cars, I won't dare drive anything that's not at least the size of a Accord or other midsize sedan. Oh - I looked at the new Lexus crossover (RX 350?) and was actually impressed for the first time. Quite a decent vehicle. But I got the impression that the dashboard weighs more than the doors on the Smart...
Not sure whether it fits here, though - probably not. But it WAS a nice midsize 4 door car/suv "thing".
#14207 of 20220 Re: Digging the Legacy [bokonon3]
Mar 05, 2010 (3:44 pm)
I'm not surprised to hear that the 4-cylinder auto Legacy is a slowpoke. It's a heavy car - probably too much car for that engine. I've never owned a 4-cylinder car with an automatic transmission & I'm reluctant to start now. Fuel economy isn't a high priority because I commute via public transportation, & the train station is just 3 miles away.
Still, I'll look closely at the Sonata. It is, as you say, a knockout & no one shopping in this market segment can ignore it. Although I used to say that I'd rather have a used Toyota than a new Hyundai, I'm not reluctant to eat those words. Hyundai has clearly arrived.
About the Fusion: it's an attractive car - arguably the best mid-sized Ford sedan to date - but my wife would not let me buy another Ford. She hated the only Ford we've ever owned - a Taurus that we bought in the early 90s. It wasn't a bad car - we kept it for 13 years (7 years as her car followed by a 6-year stint as my station car) - but to her it was just too big, crude & homely compared to the Japanese cars that preceded & followed it. I could sell her on almost anything else, but I think I'd be exiled to the couch if I brought home a Ford.
In any case, I'm in no hurry. It's our family financial policy not to buy a new car until we can pay cash for it. The thought of writing that big check makes us cautious, deliberative buyers. It's easier to do nothing at all. Right now, I think that I'll go into the market next year, but when next year rolls around, the odds are better than 50/50 that I'll decide to wait another year.
#14208 of 20220 Re: If You Had To Buy A Mid-Size Tomorrow, What Would You Buy??? [ledzepplin]
Mar 05, 2010 (4:23 pm)
Hello my name is Gary, I will try to keep this short and polite. I have
been skipping around all over the net, on several forums and here
of course. I actually own a Hyundai, a Se V6 Sonata "and a very
good vehicle I might add", not sure what you own to drive if anything???
Is what your saying about the 100k warranty experience or hear say.
And you may have a friend that works for a certain dealership that
sells only Hyundais, what does that have anything to do with warranty?
Sure as with any other car makers warranties, you screw up and not
take care of your auto "YOU" threw it away!!! The people that work on
these vehicles are not stupid as you make think. If they get a piece
of junk in and it's obvious everything has been neglected, what do you
expect. I did mechanic work, I can tell in about 5 minutes how that
engines been treated. Example pull the dip stick out, wipe the oil
off and look at the stick itself. If you see a dark brown shilack build
up that won't easily wipe off, guess what? "yep you right"!
As for as your friend and his back-pay that could mean many
things, as in "nothing to me".
Now do you think me and all these other people that read and post
on here would be ignorant enough to buy a car brand that don't stick
behind their products. Give us a break man, not all of us like to
be insulted. Please think about what you want to post here, we
are educated people, I can also read between the lines, don't
try that either. OK. Give us some constructive critisism you also
have the right to your own opinion! Have a nice weekend sir or miss.
I knew I couldn't shut-up!!! LOL
#14209 of 20220 No-shows at the Auto Show
Mar 05, 2010 (5:07 pm)
Well, the auto show hasn't even started yet and already I am disappointed with it. I went to their web site to check out a discount ticket offer (good only M-F of course), and I noticed a list of automakers participating. To my surprise, several automakers are passing up the 7th largest auto show in the U.S. Among them is Suzuki--so no Kizashi for me. But other no-shows are: BMW, Infiniti, Mitsubishi, and Porsche. All of them have been at past shows for many years. I am really surprised about BMW and Infiniti, less so for Mitsu and Porsche. And with much hinging on the success of the Kizashi, I would think Suzuki would want to show it off.
Toyota looks to have the most floorspace, across all 3 brands, then GM, then all the Ford brands, then Chrysler (gotta love 'em for trying), and then Hyundai. Hyundai's exhibit dwarfs that of Nissan--and that's w/o the Kia exhibit. Maybe lots of 2011 Sonatas to sit in.
#14210 of 20220 Re: No-shows at the Auto Show [backy]
Mar 05, 2010 (7:21 pm)
They had 3 Sonatas at the Chicago show but the GLS was on a pedestal banked at a 45 degree angle. The SE's interior is pretty close except for the leather trim on the seats so sitting in it is pretty close to the GLS I would imagine. That's pretty shocking about Suzuki. There sales are really in the dumps but I saw someplace where they were going to spend a bunch on promoting the Kizashi. Guess just not through auto shows. Infiniti as well with the new M to show off. Go figure.
#14211 of 20220 Re: No-shows at the Auto Show [backy]
Mar 05, 2010 (7:45 pm)
Backy, please for the love of God don't tell me your talkin about the NY Auto Show? please don't!
#14212 of 20220 Re: No-shows at the Auto Show [m6user]
Mar 05, 2010 (7:49 pm)
The GLS has several differences with the SE, including a different grille, body-color door handles, different wheels, and single exhaust. I think there's interior trim diffs besides the cloth seats.
And what's with BMW???