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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#14118 of 20239 Re: If You Had To Buy A Mid-Size Tomorrow, What Would You Buy??? [smarty666]
Mar 02, 2010 (5:47 pm)
all these comparisons got me thinking, if you had to go out and buy a mid-size sedan tomorrow, what would you buy? I understand this is highly subjective but lets keep it the most updated models out there right now so that would be 2010 Fusion, Altima, Accord, Mazda-6, Passat, Legacy and Malibu plus the 2011 Camry and Sonata!
Since my priority is sporty/aggressive exterior body style coupled with a comfortable ride/good handling balance, if I was buying tomorrow I would purchase in this order:
1) 2010 Altima (best ride/handling balance)
2) 2010 Fusion (best ride/handling balance)
3) 2010 Legacy (ride not as comfortable as ones above it, but better handling)
4) 2010 Mazda-6 (ride not as comfortable as ones above it, but better handling)
5) 2011 Sonata
6) 2010 Passat
7) 2011 Camry
8) 2010 Accord
9) 2010 Malibu
the only one of these vehicles I haven't test driven is the new Sonata, while all the rest I have so its hard to place the Sonata since I haven't test driven it myself and so I am only going by what reviews thus far have said about it, but once I test drive it that might change and move further up in my list!
I have a 2011 Sonata SE and it handles very well for a sedan in this segment. I have driven a Fusion, Malibu, and Accord and would say it is superior to all in terms of handling with the closest being the Fusion of course. As far as power from the 4 cylinder, there is no comparison!!! Check out this video I posted today, 0-60 in 7.2 seconds in my Sonata SE. Better looking, faster, better handling, and more standard features than anything else on this list. Go test drive one and see how you think it compares to Altima/Fusion/Mazda6. The turbo is going to be as quick or quicker than the V6's in the other models, I can't wait to give it a spin when it comes out.
#14119 of 20239 Re: If You Had To Buy A Mid-Size Tomorrow, What Would You Buy??? [kdshapiro]
Mar 02, 2010 (6:32 pm)
That's a really bad bet. I would rather drive a Yaris than a 5 year old 57K IS300.
No, it's a really smart bet. You'd wind up with a car that's vastly more entertaining than a Yaris & with little risk. Unless the car was abused, you're easily 75K miles away from any costly repairs.
My only gripe about this particular IS300 is that it's an automatic. As much as I like Plekto's thinking, I'd hold out for a stick, although I know that it's easier to find an honest lawyer than a clean IS300 with 3 pedals. But I'm a traditionalist - a sports sedan with an automatic just ain't that sporty.
#14120 of 20239 Re: If You Had To Buy A Mid-Size Tomorrow, What Would You Buy??? [jimbres]
Mar 02, 2010 (7:27 pm)
To each their own. One takes a gamble and needs to evaluate their own situation. I would only buy a CPO or certified used vehicle of that ilk.
#14121 of 20239 Re: If You Had To Buy A Mid-Size Tomorrow, What Would You Buy??? [jimbres]
Mar 02, 2010 (9:45 pm)
Yeah, Me too, but 98% of the people here start a diatribe about the pain of using a clutch and all of that if I mention manual.
With manual, it's a done deal. Toyota transmissions are almost literally bulletproof. My last Toyota transmission lasted 342,000 miles before it had to be replaced.(numerous clutches - this was actual gears gone bad) The replacement was a whopping $1100 for the part, brand new. The clutch, a heavy duty racing one, no less, was another $250 for the parts(including the small bits and clutch fork and so on).
I abuse it(and I mean seriously beat it up like most sane people don't) every day in L.A. traffic and I figure it's half gone at two years of driving like this. I'll get 50-60K total out of it at this rate and the replacement will be a whopping $500 installed. As a side note, a stock OEM clutch would have lasted maybe a year - *always* get the heavy duty clutch if you have to replace one.
The old 4Runner? Yeah it's not going anywhere. Perfect second vehicle, even at nearly 25 years old and 400K miles. All of that Los Angeles commuting. I have tons of faith in Toyota. The vehicles 100% made in Japan STILL are bulletproof, btw. They're apparently only cutting corners overseas and not in Japan.
#14122 of 20239 Re: If You Had To Buy A Mid-Size Tomorrow, What Would You Buy??? [plekto]
Mar 03, 2010 (7:05 am)
Yep , my clutch days are over. I put almost 100K on my manual Toyota Celica. The engine was great; radiator, alternator, clutch, 2 water pumps, a/c compressor convinced me to junk it. (Actually sold it for $1000 for parts).
#14123 of 20239 Re: If You Had To Buy A Mid-Size Tomorrow, What Would You Buy??? [kdshapiro]
Mar 03, 2010 (7:50 am)
A toyota that fell apart in less than 100K miles? Wow,I am in shock.
#14124 of 20239 Re: If You Had To Buy A Mid-Size Tomorrow, What Would You Buy??? [plekto]
Mar 03, 2010 (9:27 am)
98% of the people here start a diatribe about the pain of using a clutch and all of that if I mention manual
Gee, I wonder why? It's not so much people hate to talk about manuals or think they're bad, it's just that the discussion doesn't apply to about 95% of the people and the discussion usually comes across as kind of pompous. It seems that most people that get into a discussion about manuals have an attitude that insinuates the following:
1. You're really not an enthusiast or a good driver if you don't drive a manual.
2. Manuals are so much better for gas mileage.
3. Manuals are so much cheaper to maintain.
4. Car manufacturers are stupid because they don't offer manuals in every single interation of their lines.
If all I had to do was drive around in the countryside on curvy roads and with all the time in the world I would still be driving a manual like I did for years. But I don't.
Really, there is nothing at all wrong with manuals or the people that drive them. They probably are a little cheaper to buy and maintain than autos. It's just tiring to hear they are the best thing slnce sliced bread and that it's stupid to drive anything else. That's why people start the diatribe. It's kind of like, it's now what one says but how they say it kind of thing. I'm not saying you personally have across this way but a lot of posters have in the past and that is why a lot of people on here get a little tired of it.
Mar 03, 2010 (12:21 pm)
There's nothing worse than working a manual transmission in bumper to bumper city traffic. Ugh.
Worse than the MT snobs are the V6 fans who don't understand why anyone would consider a 4 cylinder.
#14126 of 20239 Re: manual [shabadoo25]
Mar 03, 2010 (12:40 pm)
I don't consider myself a manual transmission snob but I am a big fan. And I find driving an automatic in traffic worse than a manual. But that's me. I have chided people who complain about cramps in their left legs though. No one complains about cramps in their right legs.
I couldn't care less if anyone wants to drive an automatic. I just wish more people would drive manuals in the midsize market so that manufacturers would continue making them for those of us who prefer them.
I happen to also be a big fan of 4 cylinders. I'd be just as upset if car makers stopped making them because V6s were more popular.
#14127 of 20239 Re: manual [tallman1]
Mar 03, 2010 (12:49 pm)
And I find driving an automatic in traffic worse than a manual.
I don't see how that's possible. Unless you mean you just don't like driving automatics period. There is no way it's EASIER to drive an automatic in traffic.
I love manuals but not for a daily driver.