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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#13993 of 20187 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [kdshapiro]
Feb 26, 2010 (10:24 am)
Let's refer back to this conversation by the end of 2010 and see what the totals are.
Yes, lets. It'll be VERY interesting to see if the Camry is even in the top-five for total vehicle sales for '10.
Personally, I doubt it. Toyota's problems aren't going away anytime soon (considering they're still not even sure the acceleration problem is limited to the pedal/floor mats). From what I've seen/heard, along with talking to current Toyota owners, consumer confidence is shaky at best, and a fair amount of current owners will actually shop around for other makes/models, instead of going straight back to Toyota. I've heard some that flat-out refuses to buy another Toyota.
The Camry may stay within the top-three for midsize sales, but IMO that's still a gamble The Accord is still selling well, the new Sonata, which IMO will re-introduce Hyundai to new customers that had shunned Hyundai before, even the Fusion, Altima and Malibu may benefit from Toyota's fall from grace.
Unless Toyota dumps 'em into fleets (like Chevy with the Impala), I'm thinking there will be a new midsize sales leader for '10.
#13994 of 20187 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [mz6greyghost]
Feb 26, 2010 (10:28 am)
Yes, unless Honda stumbles, I expect we'll see the Accord back on top for 2010.
#13995 of 20187 Re: Ranking of Midsize Cars [mz6greyghost]
Feb 26, 2010 (10:36 am)
From what I've seen/heard, along with talking to current Toyota owners, consumer confidence is shaky at best,
Did you ask me? I'm mulling over a Camry. You may be right, I know people who still won't buy Ford and Hyundia. I wish I could pick the stock market as easily as some of these predictions.
#13997 of 20187 Re: Ranking of Mid size Cars [m6user]
Feb 26, 2010 (11:26 am)
...or there is some exagerration going on here...Someone else said they could hardly adjust back to their Mazda6 after driving an Optima for a week.
I think your interpretation may be exaggerating what was actually stated, what I posted was "when I got home and got in my Mazda6 I had to be careful driving home, even in changing lanes on the freeway, as I had gotten used to that vagueness and had to remember to not "oversteer"."
Note that this was with the former versions of both the 6 and the Optima. They have moved toward each other since then, based on reviews. For example, edmunds, talking about the new version of the Optima, said: "...Kia adds something that was lacking in the prior Optima fun. With a suspension tuned by a former Mazda chassis engineer, the new Optima...makes for an enjoyable drive on a twisty road." Meanwhile many reviews have said that the new 6 does not have the handling that the prior version did.
#13998 of 20187 Re: Ranking of Mid size Cars [jeffyscott]
Feb 26, 2010 (11:48 am)
I totally agree the new 6 doesn't handle like the older version as I have one of the older and I realize it is quite touchy. Sorry I didn't copy you verbatim but my point still is that I just don't get that it's that hard. Possibly it's just me from all the rental cars and different cars I've driven. Maybe the old Optima was that bad. I have to take your word for it because I never drove one of those.
#13999 of 20187 Ford dependability
Feb 26, 2010 (11:53 am)
Further, CR has found the Ford Fusion and Mercury Milan twins have proven to be more reliable than a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry. Blasphemy, you say? To borrow a marketing phrase from the Blue Oval itself, Drive One and find out for yourself.
Above just posted on Autoblog.com. To think that Ford could overcome people burning up in Pintos and getting killed rolling over in their Explorers to be where they are today. Toyota will probably overcome their tribulations as well but it will take awhile. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
#14000 of 20187 Question: Ride or dependability???
Feb 26, 2010 (12:05 pm)
What's the bigger reason the average Camry buyer bought a Camry, the way the car drives/handles or it's reputation for dependability???
#14001 of 20187 Re: Question: Ride or dependability??? [m6user]
Feb 26, 2010 (12:04 pm)
I think it depends on a driver. Personally for me, Camry is an appliance, not a car, but some people may love to move forward:-)
#14002 of 20187 Re: Question: Ride or dependability??? [m6user]
Feb 26, 2010 (12:14 pm)
It could be the way it drives. Many people like a smooth, quiet ride, especially given how bad the streets in some cities are getting (like mine). Camry has one of the smoothest if not the smoothest rides in the class.
Handling? That's another story. But think about how many mid-sized sedans never see a switchback or mountain canyon. They see a lot of grocery store parking lots and shopping malls, and city streets.