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#13541 of 18204 Re: Nissan Altima or Chevy Malibu [jeffyscott] by backy

Jan 08, 2010 (9:15 am)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Jan 08, 2010 8:45 am)
Yes, I used the sales numbers widely reported at the start of January which showed "Legacy" sales at about 30k for 2009 and Mazda6 at about 35k. It does get confusing when the automakers lump different cars together, e.g. Toyota lumps Corolla and Matrix together, Hyundai lumps Genesis sedan and coupe (which are much different cars), and Subaru the Legacy and Outback. Based on that, Hyundai would be within its rights to lump the Sonata and Sonata-based Santa Fe together. I wonder if Honda will lump the Accord and Crosstour sales together?

#13542 of 18204 Re: Nissan Altima or Chevy Malibu [backy] by m6user

Jan 08, 2010 (9:33 am)

Replying to: backy (Jan 08, 2010 9:15 am)
I wonder if Honda will lump the Accord and Crosstour sales together?
 
Why not? In the old days were station wagon versions of models separated out in overall sales numbers? I believe the Taurus station wagon was included in all those record setting years Taurus was the best seller. I look at the Outback as basically a Legacy station wagon but I know it's SUV of the year or whatever. As far as your Santa Fe and Sonata having some cross usage just think of all the vehicles out there like that. Isn't the Honda CRV based on the Civic. Maybe we should count those together. I think it's a slippery slope and that's why the Santa Fe is called a SUV and the Sonata is called a sedan.
 
It does get confusing though. How much content or how many similarties does it take to cross the line? I don't think anybody can really be definitive so we have to rely on the car companies to label their cars and kind of go from there.

#13543 of 18204 Re: Nissan Altima or Chevy Malibu [m6user] by jeffyscott

Jan 08, 2010 (12:14 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Jan 08, 2010 9:33 am)
It does not really matter, but to me lumping Outback and Legacy together seems much different than lumping a conventional wagon version of a vehicle with the sedan.
 
Why not Edge + Fusion + Milan? The Edge is the Fusion "wagon" isn't it? Also, isn't one of the CX vehicles basically the Mazda6 "wagon"?
 
And why not add all the variations of the Malibu that GM made together?
 
Not a midsize, but how about adding Jetta, Jetta wagon, Golf, (and maybe even Tiguan) all together? After all, I assume in the former version of the Mazda6, the sedan, wagon, and hatchback were all added together.
 
It does all seem kind of arbitrary.

#13544 of 18204 Re: Nissan Altima or Chevy Malibu [m6user] by kdhspyder

Jan 08, 2010 (12:39 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Jan 08, 2010 9:33 am)
Yep why not.
The Accord has the sedan and the coupe why not the wagon too.
The Civic has the sedan and the wagon.
The Mazda 3 has the sedan and the hatch-wagon.
The Altima has the sedan and the coupe.
The Camry had the sedan and the coupe.

#13545 of 18204 Re: Nissan Altima or Chevy Malibu [kdhspyder] by m6user

Jan 08, 2010 (1:06 pm)

Replying to: kdhspyder (Jan 08, 2010 12:39 pm)
Well, for the Crosstour Honda calls it the "Accord Crosstour" so I guess that answers our question. If they were going to separate it out they certainly wouldn't have called it Accord.
 
Like I said, if the manufacturerers call it a SUV or CUV or CRV or whatever it indicates that they are not grouping the sales and that is good enough for me. Backy cited Matrix and Corolla being grouped. Well, I don't think Toyota(or Pontiac for the Vibe) ever designated them as being anything other than variations of the Corolla or passenger cars versus SUVs etc.
 
Suburu labels the Outback as a SUV so that is good enough for me as it is apparent they aren't grouping sales together. However, anyone who follows cars knows that a popped up trunk and a couple inches of road clearance don't make that much difference in a vehicle. Same drivetrains, interiors, options, etc to me indicates pretty much a variation of the same vehicle.

#13546 of 18204 Re: Nissan Altima or Chevy Malibu [m6user] by fushigi

Jan 08, 2010 (3:28 pm)

Replying to: m6user (Jan 08, 2010 1:06 pm)
IIRC the Outback used to be called the Legacy Outback and it was considered a wagon. Now they call it an SUV although to my eyes it still looks like a wagon. A decent looking wagon, but a wagon nonetheless.
 
I'm not sure it Toyota ever marketed the Matrix as a Corolla Matrix but right now they do market the Solara as a Camry Solara.

#13547 of 18204 Re: Nissan Altima or Chevy Malibu [fushigi] by kdhspyder

Jan 08, 2010 (3:33 pm)

Replying to: fushigi (Jan 08, 2010 3:28 pm)
Actually the Solara was always the Camry Solara and it's now out of production. Similarly the Matrix has always been the Corolla Matrix ever since it arrived.
 
The Venza which replaced the Solara is not a Camry Venza.

#13548 of 18204 Re: Nissan Altima or Chevy Malibu [jeffyscott] by lilengineerboy

Jan 08, 2010 (6:52 pm)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Jan 08, 2010 12:14 pm)
It does not really matter, but to me lumping Outback and Legacy together seems much different than lumping a conventional wagon version of a vehicle with the sedan.
  
Why not Edge + Fusion + Milan? The Edge is the Fusion "wagon" isn't it? Also, isn't one of the CX vehicles basically the Mazda6 "wagon"?
 
Eh I kind of take offense to including some wanna-be big-wheeled annoying, poor handling psuedo-wagon in with the sedan. The old Legacy and the Legacy wagon can be together, the VW sedan/wagon can be together, but the Honda Aztec and the sedan are pretty different (by several hundred pounds), as are the FuLans and Edge. Some blooby looking wagon on stilts shouldn't count as the same category.
 
Hmm ask me how I really feel or something

#13549 of 18204 Chevy to slash Malibu Prices! by dodgeman07

Jan 09, 2010 (12:00 am)

GM announced this week that the MSRP on the 2010 Chevrolet Malibu will be cut dramatically late this winter. The huge glut of unsold Malibus clogging dealer lots across the nation has forced this move.
 
Malibu's are currently selling at 10%-15% under MSRP and moving slowly. I4 Malibu's LT & LTZ's currently stickering for $25K to $28K will likely drop into the $22K to $25K range.
 
Is GM getting the message?

#13550 of 18204 Re: Chevy to slash Malibu Prices! [dodgeman07] by gooddeal2

Jan 09, 2010 (6:15 am)

Replying to: dodgeman07 (Jan 09, 2010 12:00 am)
Wow, I didn't realize that the Malibu is more expensive than the Accord or Altima. I think GM lowered their inflated prices in late 2004 already...may be they didn't cut them enough?
 
Invoice base Malibu LS----$21,890
Invoice base Accord LX----$20,533
Invoice base Altima 2.5S--$21,196
 
I can understand that the Altima costs a little more than the Accord b/c of the Intelligent key and dual exhaust but I don't see any special extras in the Malibu.

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