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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#13361 of 20237 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh]
Dec 08, 2009 (4:13 pm)
Have you driven the Fusion? Personally I prefer its blend of ride and handling over the Accord. I think the current-gen Accord has lost some of its handling crispness from past generations, albeit is smoother without the "feel every pebble" ride from pre-2008. But the Fusion is smoother still yet with sharp handling, at least as good as the current Accord's IMO.
As for manual transmissions... we'll have to see if the 6-speed in the new Sonata is as good as the 5-speed in the Accord. The last Hyundai I had with a stick was a 2001 Elantra, and its shift feel was "OK" but didn't have the Honda crispness. I'll bet though that MT Sonatas will be a very small percentage of the 2011 units, especially with the 6AT with paddle shifters available.
#13362 of 20237 Re: GM's hot new entry, the reborn Regal... [kdhspyder]
Dec 08, 2009 (7:09 pm)
Ok, it's just gramatics...don't get all bold letters on me. I would probably say almost 30mpg or something like that because I thought you meant something different.
I think the V6 Sonata also is at either 28 or even 29 hwy mpg and is around 250 hp or in that range anyway.
#13363 of 20237 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [backy]
Dec 08, 2009 (7:39 pm)
backy: No, I haven't driven a Fusion, and I actually like the styling a bit better than the Accord. I think the Fusion looks sleek and functional, and certainly seems to represent good value for the money.
I've heard that Fords are also quite reliable these days.
Unfortunately I'm one of those who holds a grudge for owning a 2000 Ford Focus ZTS that suffered through a dozen increasingly alarming recalls before I gave up on it. It may not be rational, but my grudge is still there for now, and I'm not sure it'll go away.
I genuinely admire the Fusion's looks, however, and it's nice to see Ford doing so well with such a sharp product.
Dec 08, 2009 (7:46 pm)
good points on my rather weak mpg spyder and jeffy---maybe I'd better pull back on the lead foot. I do go 65-70 a lot of times...
#13365 of 20237 Re: Nissan adds cheap GPS [m6user]
Dec 08, 2009 (7:47 pm)
Just a note to add about a Mazda, I still have a 2002-626, the last
year of that style. It's has what I call a baby V6 2.5L 165HP, it has
2 little tail pipes but only 1 muffler. But it also has the MAZDA "zoom"
as they call it, no turbo just DOHC 24 valve. I don't race any more
but if did I would put this (baby) engine up against any new version
I4 (non turbo) even with up to 25HP more. BUT!! it doesn't have a prayer up against the nowadays V-6's of any make. I know I know
this is not a race forum, just making a point about how the new
technology is pulling so much HP/MPG ratios out of these small but
very powerful cars engines.
The little V6 may not win the race but you will know you were in one.
#13366 of 20237 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh]
Dec 08, 2009 (7:47 pm)
I had a similar experience with a 1995 Mystake, er, Mystique. Lots of recalls. But I really liked the car--when it wasn't in the shop. Unfortunately, both the 2000 Focus and 1995 Contique were the first model years, and Quality wasn't quite Job 1 for Ford at that time. They seem to have turned the corner on quality, though, and I'd give them another chance. In fact, if I could have found a low-miles Fusion for a decent price a couple of weeks ago, I'd be driving one now instead of a Sonata. I think word of the Fusion's goodness is getting out, as used car prices have shot up in the past year. But then, the prices of most used cars have shot up in the past year.
#13367 of 20237 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [backy]
Dec 08, 2009 (7:52 pm)
Backy--yikes, the Mercury Mystake in the first year was grim, I hear. I remember Click and Clack joking about it. I called my Focus ZTS "Zits" by the end, and then I popped it and traded for an Accord.
How's the Sonata? It's a heck of a lot of car for the money. I think the Hyundai engineers are getting closer to the leaders with every generation of Sonata, and with the 2011 they may have not only caught up but reached the top in a few areas. Nice that it's made in Alabama too...
#13368 of 20237 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh]
Dec 08, 2009 (8:12 pm)
The 2007 Sonata is a ton of car for what I paid, looks and drives like new, nearly 2.5 years of bumper-to-bumper warranty left, tons of room, very comfy, plenty of pep, and I think very good looking in a classic sedan-ish kind of way. Very nice car, especially considering it's a five-year-old design. But I think the Fusion has superior ride and handing.
I wonder how the 2011 Sonata will look to us in 2016, or 2021? Some cars have classic styling--Audi and BMW for example. They still look good 10 or more years later. The new Sonata is very daring for a family car. Will it stand the test of time?
#13369 of 20237 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [backy]
Dec 08, 2009 (8:32 pm)
I'm skeptical about daring styling in midsize sedans. This is not a market segment that rewards drama, especially on the part of manufacturers that are still in the process of building (or rebuilding) a reputation. Midsize buyers are risk-averse, and I think that carries over into styling.
When the '06 Sonata came out, the pundits complained that it seemed dated and derivative, and compared it to the already long-gone '98-02 Accord in its conservatism. Yet four years later, the same basic design still looks nice, restrained, not particularly dated--dare I say "classy"? One could say the same about the Optima too.
Meanwhile the "daring" '06-09 Fusion (an excellent car in most respects) seems like last year's trendy look.
Incidentally, at the risk of going OT, does anyone else out there think the Cruze is a dead ringer for the Sonata/Optima?
#13370 of 20237 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [stephen987]
Dec 08, 2009 (9:34 pm)
The '11 Sonata is a pretty radical departure from what we're used to seeing from Hyundai. However, I think if it was a Mazda, Nissan or even a Toyota design we probably wouldn't consider it as dramatic as we are because it's a Hyundai and were used to seeing some pretty bland stuff from them.