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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [jeffyscott] by benjaminh
Dec 08, 2009 (9:10 am)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Dec 08, 2009 7:13 am)

Fusion gets 34!? Wow. That is good. I think the Accord is still at 31. The Accord is a little bigger, but it's a shock to not see the Accord at or near the top of the mark when it comes to mpg.
 
One area where the Honda may--or may not--be ahead of some others is for steering and handling. I think most cars in this class have gone to an electric system, which saves cost, weight, money, complexity, etc., but as far as I hear doesn't give quite as good of a feel for the road as a traditional hydraulic system, which is what I think the Accord still uses.
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh] by m6user
Dec 08, 2009 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: benjaminh (Dec 08, 2009 9:10 am)

Notice that it's the Fusion S and the Fusion S only that gets 34mpg. It's the mpg economy model that is made for higher mpg by utilizing high mpg tires(usually harder and narrower) and some weight saving stuff which I'm not all that up on. The other Fusion I4 models get about the same as the Accord I believe.
 
From what I've read, the neat thing about the new Sonata is that it's supposed to get 35mpg on all versions and with more hp than all the others in it's class except for the Passat. The Passat Turbo takes premium fuel or at least it's recommended I think. So if it works well they will be far ahead of the competition IMO from a drivetrain aspect.
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [m6user] by stephen987
Dec 08, 2009 (11:20 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Dec 08, 2009 9:40 am)

. . . unless Ford can find a way to put an EcoBoost four into the Fusion within a year or so.
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [stephen987] by m6user
Dec 08, 2009 (12:38 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Dec 08, 2009 11:20 am)

That would be sweet as well.
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [stephen987] by benjaminh
Dec 08, 2009 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Dec 08, 2009 11:20 am)

I'm out of the loop--what's the ecoboost 4?
 
Impressive economy from Ford's 6!
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh] by stephen987
Dec 08, 2009 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: benjaminh (Dec 08, 2009 12:51 pm)

Edmunds article on the EcoBoost four-cylinder claims 230 bhp from a 2.0L engine, with the fuel economy of a normally aspirated four.
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [m6user] by jeffyscott
Dec 08, 2009 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Dec 08, 2009 9:40 am)

From what I've read, the neat thing about the new Sonata is that it's supposed to get 35mpg on all versions
 
If true, then that would be a bigger achievement, unless they are just equipping all of them with high mpg tires, etc.
 
Speaking of that and the Fusion S, has anyone seen any braking tests comparing the S to another version. I'm guessing if those high mpg tires might mean less effective braking. I suppose the high mpg tires might also negatively affect handling.
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [acdii] by jeffyscott
Dec 08, 2009 (1:14 pm)
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Replying to: acdii (Dec 08, 2009 7:48 am)

The Fusion Sport with the 3.5 V6 can get 31 MPG on the highway.
 
I think every car exceeds it EPA highway mpg figure, when driven at moderate and steady freeway speeds. If that Sonata is rated 35, then on a freeway cruise maybe it'll get 40.
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GM's hot new entry, the reborn Regal... by kdhspyder
Dec 08, 2009 (2:59 pm)
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...is due here next Fall. But from the recently announced specs how is this new entry going to compete in this category with a 188hp 2.4L SIDI engine that is supposed to get 30mph Highway?
 
To me this vehicle would have be be drop dead gorgeous, Lexus/BMW quality inside and out and handle like it was on rails otherwise it will be killed by just about every other midsizer on the road including GM's own Malibu.
 
Why? The rest of the industry has V6's with 250+ hp and fuel economy ratings in the 30 mpg range. The Sonata is dropping its V6's in favor of offering better fuel economy approaching 40 mpg. This sounds so 1995-ish on GM's part. Do they think that Buick buyers are stupid? How would this launch go if gas spikes up over $3.50 next summer?
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Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [jeffyscott] by kdhspyder
Dec 08, 2009 (3:01 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Dec 08, 2009 1:14 pm)

The current 2.5L Camry gets a real world 37-39 mpg at moderate highway cruising speeds of ~65 mph. I agree that every vehicle now can exceed the very conservative EPA numbers.

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