Last post on Dec 03, 2013 at 4:29 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#13341 of 20187 Accord vs. 2011 Sonata
Dec 08, 2009 (3:28 am)
I own two Accord sedans--an 02 LX 5 MT and an 08 EXL navi 5MT. Love both cars. I had some lemons over the years from VW, GM, and Ford, and so every day I get in one of our Accords I'm a happy man.
Mr. Soichiro Honda was an engineer, and a good one, and it seems to me that at Honda the engineers maybe have more power than at many other car companies.
When I test drove a Camry back in 02 when I bought our first Accord I could feel and sense the difference. The Camry seemed fancier, but the Accord had much sharper handling, and a nicer to shift manual transmission.
Buying the 02 Accord got rid of one of our lemons (a first year 2000 Focus--a nightmare beyond belief), but it wasn't until 2008 when we could get rid of our 1988 Oldsmobile 98, which wasn't as much of a lemon the Focus, but was mainly just a worn out old car.
Our 02 has only 60,000 miles on it, and a lot of life is left. It doesn't, however, have many safety features found on most cars today, like abs, stability, etc. I was planning on waiting until the next generation Accord arrives, probably in 2013, to replace the 02. And that's probably what we'll do.
But the 2011 Sonata really gotten my attention. I like the styling of it a lot. And then I found out a little bit about Hyundai's new direct injection engine for it--which not only has more power, but is expected to get 35 mpg on the hwy! That's the same as a Honda Fit! The rest of the Sonata package looks impressive on paper as well, with things like bluetooth available even on the entry model Sonata (love the bluetooth on our 08 Accord).
Anyway, the new Sonata does look impressive in terms of style, features, and performance on paper:
Whether it can really be a competitor to the Accord I doubt for the following reasons--I still think Honda's quality is the top in its price area, I think the Accord's suspension is excellent, the Accord's steering is precise, and I don't think anyone makes a manual transmission as nice as that on the current Accord for a similar price.
Anyway, just wondering whether the new Sonata is going to provide real competition or not. It seems like in terms of engine technology that Hyundai may in some ways have gone beyond Honda already, which is a big shock to me. When will Accords get direct injection engines? Are there any drawbacks to this technology?
#13342 of 20187 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh]
Dec 08, 2009 (6:13 am)
And then I found out a little bit about Hyundai's new direct injection engine for it--which not only has more power, but is expected to get 35 mpg on the hwy!
The Fusion S gets 34 mpg hwy. Given the rounding, the difference may be insignificant.
#13343 of 20187 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [jeffyscott]
Dec 08, 2009 (6:48 am)
The Fusion Sport with the 3.5 V6 can get 31 MPG on the highway. Surprised me when it did.
So if Honda is so great, tell me why is it out of 14 reviews, it only scores an 8.5, yet the Fusion scores a 9.2 out of 86 reviews? Don't be so sure that the Accord is as great as you make it out to be, the Fusion is a damned fine car now, and compared to a Camry, is a much finer car too. IOW don't get tunnel vision thinking only the Honda is great, Ford is right up there and ahead of Toyota in quality and reliability. Hyundai also makes a good car, at least the Veracruz I own has been a great car, the wipers could use an improvement, they are proprietary to the Veracruz only and hard to get, but when in good shape work great. Not much of a complaint is it. It is snowing today, and it is days like this that remind me that I haven't changed the damned things yet. Why is it the drivers wiper is the one that always seems to go bad?
#13344 of 20187 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [jeffyscott]
Dec 08, 2009 (8:10 am)
Fusion gets 34!? Wow. That is good. I think the Accord is still at 31. The Accord is a little bigger, but it's a shock to not see the Accord at or near the top of the mark when it comes to mpg.
One area where the Honda may--or may not--be ahead of some others is for steering and handling. I think most cars in this class have gone to an electric system, which saves cost, weight, money, complexity, etc., but as far as I hear doesn't give quite as good of a feel for the road as a traditional hydraulic system, which is what I think the Accord still uses.
#13345 of 20187 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [benjaminh]
Dec 08, 2009 (8:40 am)
Notice that it's the Fusion S and the Fusion S only that gets 34mpg. It's the mpg economy model that is made for higher mpg by utilizing high mpg tires(usually harder and narrower) and some weight saving stuff which I'm not all that up on. The other Fusion I4 models get about the same as the Accord I believe.
From what I've read, the neat thing about the new Sonata is that it's supposed to get 35mpg on all versions and with more hp than all the others in it's class except for the Passat. The Passat Turbo takes premium fuel or at least it's recommended I think. So if it works well they will be far ahead of the competition IMO from a drivetrain aspect.
#13346 of 20187 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [m6user]
Dec 08, 2009 (10:20 am)
. . . unless Ford can find a way to put an EcoBoost four into the Fusion within a year or so.
#13347 of 20187 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [stephen987]
Dec 08, 2009 (11:38 am)
That would be sweet as well.
#13348 of 20187 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [stephen987]
Dec 08, 2009 (11:51 am)
I'm out of the loop--what's the ecoboost 4?
Impressive economy from Ford's 6!
#13350 of 20187 Re: Accord vs. 2011 Sonata [m6user]
Dec 08, 2009 (12:10 pm)
From what I've read, the neat thing about the new Sonata is that it's supposed to get 35mpg on all versions
If true, then that would be a bigger achievement, unless they are just equipping all of them with high mpg tires, etc.
Speaking of that and the Fusion S, has anyone seen any braking tests comparing the S to another version. I'm guessing if those high mpg tires might mean less effective braking. I suppose the high mpg tires might also negatively affect handling.