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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [deltheking] by 8babies1dog
Oct 19, 2009 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: deltheking (Oct 19, 2009 7:47 am)

I think the pressure is already on, other than Sonata's big change f/ 2009 the only
car in the midsize class that I can think of maybe the Mazda6, 2010 or 2011 may
see others follow suite another change f/ Hyundai is in the works. According to
auto industry stats I have seen and read about, show slump in sales for all the
car makers midsize sedans, except 1, their sales actually jumped up 15% f/2009.
Which prompted them to hire more people to step up production in Alabama. I didn't
hear about that company getting a hand out of our tax money to stay afloat. The company I bought all my vehicles from since early sixties must not take very good
care of their business. They got a big chunk of the tax money bail out and still have serious financial problems. Since 1995 I stopped buying their cars they have dropped 2 of their car lines completely (the kind I bought) and 2 more that has been
put on the discontinue or get rid of list. So my conclusion is, if they don't want them
I deffintly don't want them either!! Imagine if you have one of those and the dealership closes you got it from and the nearest one is kind of far away who will
work on it if needed especially under warranty. Well I have been there with that deal
and sorry but not again. I will stick with growing carmakers that put their customers
wants on top of their list, and really want to stay in business. I am not that crazy
about buying from a foreign company, but at least the 1 I just bought is engineered
and built here in our USA and their job looks secure for the near future not like what
is going on with some suppose to be BIG DOG companies here. Thanks Hyundai
for stepping up your game.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [m6user] by backy
Oct 19, 2009 (10:21 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Oct 19, 2009 9:03 am)

IMO the "drive" of the Fusion is very good, one of the best in the class in terms of a nice blend of composed ride and good handling. Interior? Middle of the pack at best, although improved for 2010.
 
I talked with a friend at church yesterday who is looking to buy a new car for the first time in many years. She was thinking of an Altima. I asked her what else she had tried. Drove the Malibu--didn't like it. Drove the Sonata--was OK except the Altima's driver's seat was more comfortable. Doesn't want a Camry--period. Thinks the Accord is nice but overpriced. She has not looked at the Fusion yet. I recommended she do that before jumping for the Altima, as she will do a lot of highway driving and wants a big trunk, and the Fusion does very well in both categories, plus it should cost less than the Altima (although I am seeing some good deals on closeout 2009 Altimas right now). Also I recommended she look at certified used cars e.g. Altima and Fusion, to save some money.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [imidazol97] by 8babies1dog
Oct 19, 2009 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Oct 19, 2009 5:21 am)

I had 3 -3.8L GM's 1 Buick La sabre and 2 Bonnevilles, good cars, good, fairly
powerful drivetrain, good MPG f/ that generation. Only problem I had with that set up
and car was Mass air sensor and fuel pump in tank, had the same problem with all three, I almost forgot a lot of alternator trouble. Kind of miss the bigger car and
the carmaker, but if they don't want them I don't either. Best GM engine IMO was
the old 283, 327 and 350 4 bolt main but they did burn a lot of gas!
 
Using an old famous closing; "GOOD DAY"
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [phaetondriver] by akirby
Oct 19, 2009 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: phaetondriver (Oct 19, 2009 9:34 am)

That was true for the 2009 Taurus but not the 2010 Taurus. For 2010 the platform was modified to handle more torque with 100% new sheetmetal and interior plus numerous new features (push button start, selectshift, 365 hp engine option, BLIS, etc.).
 
About the only thing that didn't change was the base 3.5L drivetrain.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [akirby] by backy
Oct 19, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: akirby (Oct 19, 2009 10:35 am)

The other thing that didn't change is that it's still a LARGE car.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [backy] by akirby
Oct 19, 2009 (12:07 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 19, 2009 11:59 am)

Yes it is.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [stephen987] by plekto
Oct 19, 2009 (1:37 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 18, 2009 6:41 pm)

On paper not much has changed, but on the road there's a world of difference. The CTS handles vastly better and is finished to a level not available from GM in '05.
 
It's slightly better, and mostly due to better brakes and tires than anything else. The upgraded suspension option on the top end Buicks and the Cadillacs made them actually better cars by far to drive than the competition(European makes aside, of course, but then again 10-30K more money kind of SHOULD be better...).
 
It's like comparing the Lucerne CXS versus the competition it's vastly, no WORLDS better than the non CXS mode(stabilitrak/magnetic suspension/V8/etc).
 
It handles great for its size, has tons of torque, and is a beautiful car that reminds you of what Mercedes was making in their mid to late 90s S class. Which is high praise indeed if GM can equal Mercedes older models in ten years time, give or take. That they decided to update it and make it the basis for the new LaCrosse is a good thing. Just PLEASE get/try to top end suspension and engine version. It's well worth the time to find one.
 
BTW, the LaCrosse CXS with the suspension upgrade is about 30K if you haggle and after rebates/etc. It's nearly the same car to drive as the CTS for less money(and dare I say, nicer interior and exterior as well)
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [backy] by explorerx4
Oct 19, 2009 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 17, 2009 7:48 pm)

i found the article. crazy guy. another reason not to buy a car that was a rental.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [backy] by colloquor
Oct 19, 2009 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 19, 2009 10:21 am)

Backy, you may have her possibly re-think the Altima, especially due some of the stories that exist within the Nissan forum regarding the CVT. Nissan's continually improving the transmission, but a number of posts relate to continued problems with the CVT. When it's time for replacement - some have been as early as 50K or less - it's not a rebuild, but a $4K to $5K replacement. No problem during the warranty, but a big problem out of warranty.
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Re: 2011 Hyundai Sonata- Game Changer? [colloquor] by backy
Oct 19, 2009 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: colloquor (Oct 19, 2009 1:52 pm)

I don't have to rethink anything... I'm not the one buying the car. I'm not crazy about the Altima myself, but my friend seems to like how it drives. Maybe she'll really like the Fusion when she goes to drive it.
 
Question: are these reports for the CVT on the Altima for all engines, or just the V6? I always wondered if a CVT could handle the kind of power that the Altima's V6 puts out.
 
Also, I expect if this becomes a major problem, Nissan will have to do something like extend the warranty on the CVTs, otherwise it won't sell many CVT-equipped cars.

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