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13382 messages,  Last post on Dec 09, 2009 at 8:04 AM

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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [mz6greyghost] by thegraduate
Oct 16, 2009 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Oct 16, 2009 12:13 pm)

Whatcha got against the GM 3.6L?
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [backy] by m6user
Oct 16, 2009 (1:34 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 16, 2009 10:32 am)

Notice the reviewer did not include the Fusion in the list
 
Probably just didn't want to name every midsize car for brevity sake. I think the Fusion, Milan, Sonata, Optima, Aura, etc etc would be covered under "you name it".
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [mz6greyghost] by m6user
Oct 16, 2009 (1:44 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Oct 16, 2009 12:13 pm)

And among all four-cylinder midsize sedans, only the Accord EX (190 hp), and Volkswagen Jetta Wolfsburg and Passat (200 hp) beat it in the power department
 
Above from the Edmund review of the Suzuki K. Interesting how Edmunds puts both the Jetta and Passat in the midsize class.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [m6user] by backy
Oct 16, 2009 (4:06 pm)
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Replying to: m6user (Oct 16, 2009 1:44 pm)

Yep, well, better get a photo of the Jetta over there on the right.
 
Actually, Edmunds is incorrect, since they themselves have put the 2011 Sonata into this discussion. That car is supposed to have a 200 hp I4.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [thegraduate] by mz6greyghost
Oct 17, 2009 (11:00 am)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Oct 16, 2009 12:51 pm)

Whatcha got against the GM 3.6L?
 
Unless Suzuki can get a few more horses out of it, the 252 HP rating for both the Malibu and Aura isn't too impressive. Plus I don't find it as smooth at the Honda, Mazda, or Ford V6.
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [mz6greyghost] by stephen987
Oct 17, 2009 (3:16 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Oct 17, 2009 11:00 am)

Trust me, it's plenty of power, with a probable 0-60 in around six seconds (the Malibu LTZ does it in 6.5 according to Car and Driver). What the hell do you want in a midsize sedan anyway?
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [stephen987] by backy
Oct 17, 2009 (3:55 pm)
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Replying to: stephen987 (Oct 17, 2009 3:16 pm)

Re plenty of power... did you know the C4 Corvette didn't get over 250 hp until 1992, with the second-gen LT1? How could those Corvette owners put up with such paltry power for all those years?
 
And now back to our regularly-scheduled program...
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [backy] by elroy5
Oct 17, 2009 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Oct 17, 2009 3:55 pm)

did you know the C4 Corvette didn't get over 250 hp until 1992
 
Well, that was then, and this is now. People want all the power they can get, for the money. You have to keep pace with the competition, or lose sales. In 92 cars had only 1 airbag. With every generation, consumers expect more, power, safety, etc.....
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [elroy5] by backy
Oct 17, 2009 (4:29 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Oct 17, 2009 4:07 pm)

I don't see anyone expecting 24 airbags yet. To me, that's the equivalent of expecting more horsepower in a mid-sized family sedan than in a V8 supercar from not long ago.
 
There's a big difference in my mind from the wimpy V6 in the Optima (which has less power than several I4s in the class) and robust V6s in most other mid-sized family sedans. Where does this power competition end? Why not optimize these cars more for fuel economy, safety, driving comfort, interior room, and other things that matter to a family vs. racing to see who can get to 300 hp in a mid-sized family sedan first?
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Re: Suzuki Kizashi [elroy5] by explorerx4
Oct 17, 2009 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Oct 17, 2009 4:07 pm)

back in the late 80's a 200hp sedan could hit 130+ mph.
don't ask me how i know.
the big horsepower numbers in current vehicles are tempered by the extra weight they carry around.

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