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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12890 of 20187 Re: A few new sneak peak pics of the '11 Sonata [m6user]
Sep 07, 2009 (1:10 pm)
I own a Camry Hybrid, and here's a derision, its ugly. The front end is ugly, the ride is soft, and it handles like a rowboat. Quality in materials is far less than I would have expected from a Toyota, especially the upper end of the line car. I recently test drove both the Fusion Hybrid and the Sport, and if it wasn't for the higher cost of the Fusion Hybrid, I would gladly trade up to it. It rides nicer, much quieter inside, and handles far better, not to mention the quality of the materials and fit in finish are superior. The Sport, it knocked my socks off, quick agile, firm but quiet ride, my only gripe is the drivers seat is not the same as the Hybrid, instead of a rounded corner under the thigh, it angles and cuts around, and is uncomfortable in certain positions, but that is nothing that moving a leg cant fix.
With that said, there are some aftermarket parts that can dress up the Camry(except that ugly nose). I checked around and found RK Sport makes a spoiler, ground kit and a hood that make the car look HOT. Add in a pair of 18" polished rims, lowering springs and some 55's, and the car no longer looks average, dull boring Camry. Check it out here
After much contemplation about getting rid of the Camry for something else, weighing in depreciation of a new car, cost in fuel economy for a non hybrid, etc. I came to the conclusion that it isn't worth it right now to get another sedan, even considered a Lexus RX 400h, but all I could afford would be a 2006, and to me that would be downgrading since the Camry has better features, like JBL, XM Radio, MP3 player, Smart Key, and a few others that weren't available on the Lexus 3 years ago. Frankly I wasn't impressed with the Lexus, my Veracruz is actually a nicer car.
So I am keeping it, and getting it modified with lowered springs, Wheels and tires, and the above body kit. I am also going to upgrade the interior with heated/cooled leather instead of the cloth it has, and see if I can find a power passenger seat. Hopefully the springs will improve the ride and handling a bit, and maybe I can make this car mine, instead of the run of the mill average Camry.
#12891 of 20187 Re: A few new sneak peak pics of the '11 Sonata [acdii]
Sep 07, 2009 (1:19 pm)
How much does all that cost? Wouldn't it be close to what you may lose on a trade? I would think the Camry Hybrid would have some pretty good trade-in value. Know what you mean about the JBL. My daughter has a Camry for a company car and it has the JBL stereo in it and it sounds very good.
#12892 of 20187 Re: A few new sneak peak pics of the '11 Sonata [acdii]
Sep 07, 2009 (3:42 pm)
The front end is ugly, the ride is soft, and it handles like a rowboat....
So I am keeping it, and getting it modified with lowered springs, Wheels and tires, and the above body kit."
No offense, but this is no surprise. The Camry is about as far as you can get from a firm, sporty ride, even in the midsized family sedan segment.
#12893 of 20187 Re: A few new sneak peak pics of the '11 Sonata [acdii]
Sep 07, 2009 (5:37 pm)
I don't know, seems most midsized cars are no that great looking inside or out. They've got ugly snouts whether its Camry, Accord, the orthodontia over chroming of the Fusion or the dumb crossbar Chevy's and Malibu. A lot of the newest interiors are toy like inside. I just don't think that new Camaro inspired dash looks good on a LaCrosse or other new GM vehicles. The Fusion and Accord dashes are too busy and the Camry is cheap and a lot of them seem to rattle accordingly. Its kind of like when toy makers do knockoffs to avoid royalty payments, but the end product just looks dumb, like a Buddy L toy truck or something. None of these cars are likley to be classics in 20 years.
#12894 of 20187 Re: Edmunds TCO [explorerx4]
Sep 07, 2009 (6:21 pm)
Explorer, I have about 45,000 trouble free, squeak free miles on my 06 Fusion SEL V6. I change my oil every 4,000 miles at the dealership. 5W-20 synthetic blend. I get discounts/coupons ect. I have put new tires on at 35,000. At 30,000 I changed the transmission fluid and anti-freeze. I plan on at 50,000 to have the brake fluid and power steering fluids changed out. I also change my air filter every 12,000. Changed fuel filter also at 30,000. Brakes are in good shape tech says. The Fusion has been a great car so far. I read on the net there are now owners with 90,000 plus miles and they are fine. I paid $21,800 for this car and its loaded. A comparable Camry/Accord would have cost me thousands more. I average 23.2 MPG per the computer. On a road trip I got 30.8 cruising at 65-70MPH per the computer.
Sep 07, 2009 (6:38 pm)
I guess we as consumers can be thankful for competition bringing us some very good family vehicles. I have been a member of Edmunds for over 10 years. At first Ford/GM and Honda/Toyota in the same sentence was unheard of. Look at now, Fusion/Milan/Malibu are true competitors with the Accord/Camry. My predictions are as follows:
In the next 5 years Malibu will become number one seller followed by Accord, Fusion, Camry, Altima, Sonata, Mazda 6. This is just sales numbers. In my book sales numbers do not mean top dog. Heck, McDonalds sells more burgers than Carls Jr. But I like Carls Jr. better..
#12897 of 20187 Re: Thankful [cannon3]
Sep 07, 2009 (7:22 pm)
In the next 5 years Malibu will become number one seller followed by Accord, Fusion, Camry, Altima, Sonata, Mazda 6. This is just sales numbers.
May I ask, what is going to cause this drastic change, in consumer buying habits? Not saying it will never happen, but definitely not in 5 years, or 10 years. Do you know how long the Camry has been the top dog? The Camry shows no sign of weakness, and keeps the Accord sales at a considerable distance. The Camry is actually outselling full size trucks now, which hasn't ever happened before.
Sep 07, 2009 (9:33 pm)
The new Suzuki Kizashi in a shade of my favorite car color, red. I think that one of the problems designers have with mid-sizers and larger is there's just too much body to squish around. Actually, I don't think Suzuki designers have done a bad job with this car. Ford's Fusion Hybrid looks just as good, as does Kia's Optima.
I think that if I bought in this size class I'd need a package of goodies inside to entice me away from the other maker's offerings. I think the midsize category is improving year over year.
#12899 of 20187 Re: A few new sneak peak pics of the '11 Sonata [tlong]
Sep 07, 2009 (11:13 pm)
No offense, but this is no surprise. The Camry is about as far as you can get from a firm, sporty ride, even in the midsized family sedan segment
This person needs a RX-8 in their life
Fits 4 adults, has 4 doors(technically qualifies as a sedan despite the visual trickery), and goes like a bat out of hell in twisties, and is a steal considering its $25K price.(0.1 second behind a base Cayman) A complete stealth sports sedan that nobody expects or sees coming.