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Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12866 of 20237 Re: It does look longer than the current Optima... [lilengineerboy]
Aug 28, 2009 (2:29 pm)
Since most manufacturers have stopped making manuals (I don't think you can get a Mazda6 with a stick and a sunroof in 2010), my money is on the ones that are left.
Yeah, I have to agree with you. I have always (and only) owned standard transmissions. I was recently reading an article in Newsweek that stated that only about 5% of Americans own a manual transmission vehicle, and fewer than 8% know how to drive one.
I think that's sad. Anyone can learn how to drive a manual in about a day!!!
I'm SO glad that my '09 Sonata GLS came with standard transmission. I was also looking at the Honda Accord, and Mazda 6, but none of my local dealers (Richmond, VA) had manuals!!! I was shocked.
Standard transmissions are fun, less expensive, easier on gas, and need less transmission maintenance work. I'll admit: a steep mountain road might be difficult for a beginner, but practice makes perfect!
#12867 of 20237 Re: It does look longer than the current Optima... [james1982]
Aug 28, 2009 (4:00 pm)
A couple of days ago the radio station I listen to had a contest and the answer was the % of Americans who can drive a stick. The answer was about 35%. I don't know where they got the info but I think it sounds closer to reality than 8%.
Many modern transmissions actually are rated higher mpg by the EPA than manuals. The computers are getting so good at shifting at the best possible moments that they can beat the sticks even accounting for a small weight difference and power usage. They are less expensive and usually require a little more maint and fun to drive if you do not have to drive in stop and go traffic a lot. If so, they can be a royal pain in the left leg.
#12868 of 20237 Re: It does look longer than the current Optima... [m6user]
Aug 28, 2009 (5:04 pm)
I can drive a stick. I do not, though. For one, my wife can't and we won't buy a car that only one of use can drive. Another reason is for those occasions I get stuck in traffic. A stick is a lot more fatiguing in those circumstances.
Do modern driving schools teach how to drive a manual?
Anyway, I can believe 35% can but only 8% buy them.
The last stick I drive, BTW, was a 24' U-Haul truck.
#12869 of 20237 Re: It does look longer than the current Optima... [m6user]
Aug 28, 2009 (6:50 pm)
Many modern transmissions actually are rated higher mpg by the EPA than manuals. The computers are getting so good at shifting at the best possible moments that they can beat the sticks even accounting for a small weight difference and power usage.*
* On the EPA fuel economy certification drive
#12871 of 20237 Re: A few new sneak peak pics of the '11 Sonata [tenpin288]
Aug 31, 2009 (3:21 pm)
I especially like the side view, incredibly swoopy for a "family sedan". The rear is OK too, but the taillamps look a little large-ish for my taste. The front is... interesting. The grille looks overwrought, IMO. I am hoping it's just the camera angle or that they'll tone it down a bit for the US market. The interior shot isn't very good here but in other photos it looked very well done, especially for a car that is designed to sell starting at under $20k MSRP (which it will unless 2011 prices shoot up).
I am wondering if the note about the "6 speed" transmissions refers to both automatic and manual??
#12872 of 20237 Re: A few new sneak peak pics of the '11 Sonata [backy]
Aug 31, 2009 (3:31 pm)
It's definitely an aggressive look. My thinking is the front view is an exaggerated "fisheye" picture, but time will tell. Hyundai is definitely not playing it safe with this Sonata!
#12873 of 20237 Re: A few new sneak peak pics of the '11 Sonata [tenpin288]
Aug 31, 2009 (3:36 pm)
The rear looks a lot like the VW CC and a little like it from the side too. Not a bad form to emulate! The front looks horrendous but I think it is the camera lens or angle. It couldn't possibly look that freakish. Paddle shifters on a Sonata??? Maybe the SE will really be sporty....who knows.
Sep 06, 2009 (2:47 pm)
Don't trust it. I own a 2006 Ford Fusion SEL V6 and have had no repair costs, my maintenance costs have not come close to what Edmunds says, I also paid no interest on my loans for this automobile. My insurance is not even close to what Edmunds says also. I know it is supposed to be some kind of "average" Beings I belong to 3 Fusion boards across the internet. I posted these numbers and noone has come even close to what Edmunds says for "costs". TCO means nothing.
#12875 of 20237 Re: A few new sneak peak pics of the '11 Sonata [tenpin288]
Sep 06, 2009 (3:23 pm)
I think the 2011 pix of the sonata show a great improvement over previous sonatas. However, I think it now looks like an ugly version of the camry.