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Mazda Hybrid??? by aviboy97
Jul 16, 2009 (10:57 am)
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Let's see if I can wake everyone up in here!
 
News today came in that Toyota and Mazda are in discussions for Toyota to license hybrid components to Mazda for Mazda Hybrid vehicles. Sources close to the situation report Mazda could have a mass produced hybrid here by 2012-2013. Possibly a Mazda6 Hybrid? That sure would be nice!
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Mazda Hybrid, use Ford's tech ? by rdm925
Jul 16, 2009 (11:10 am)
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I think a Mazda 6, hybrid would be great. Why not use Ford Fusion's tech. If Ford still owned 30 plus % they could do and not wait 2-3 yrs.
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Re: Mazda Hybrid??? [aviboy97] by mickeyrom
Jul 16, 2009 (11:13 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jul 16, 2009 10:57 am)

HYBRIDS are nice,but just too expensive.
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Re: Mazda Hybrid??? [mickeyrom] by acdii
Jul 16, 2009 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Jul 16, 2009 11:13 am)

HYBRIDS are nice,but just too expensive.
 
Man ain't that the truth. I just saw an Insight the other day, you know, the lowest priced Hybrid one can buy, and man is that thing tiny. Since it is smaller than the Prius, and appears to have a very close COD design, you would think it would get better MPG rating than the Prius, but it doesn't.
 
If The government were really concerned about cap and trade, CO2, etc. you would think they would have better incentives so that people can better afford to buy a Hybrid. The real cost behind any Hybrid is not the drive technology, once a certain number have been sold, the R&D costs to develop the drive train is paid for, but the battery technology is ongoing and that is the biggest cost of the car. It is also the biggest limiter of the number that can be made at any one time, something Mazda will face when it starts up its Hybrid line. They will have to wait for deliveries from the battery manufacturer, and if from the same plant as Toyota and Ford, they will have to take a number and hope for the best.
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Re: Mazda Hybrid, use Ford's tech ? [rdm925] by aviboy97
Jul 16, 2009 (12:48 pm)
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Replying to: rdm925 (Jul 16, 2009 11:10 am)

Ford cannot produce enough hybrid components for themselves, let alone another manufacturer. This was clearly evident with the Tribute Hybrid, which was only available in California.
 
Toyota has much greater manufacturing capabilities over in Japan. Now that Mazda is under their own control, I guess that may have opened up the door for the JDM manufacturers to start talking about licensing hybrid technology.
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Tire decision help by bwia
Jul 22, 2009 (6:41 pm)
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Not sure if this the right thread for this but...
  
I am considering a set of the newly introduced Grand Touring, 60,000-mile, all-season Goodrich Advantage T/A tires (205-60R-16-92H). At Costco the set will cost $372 installed. This is a new tire so there is little information about it on the internet so I was wondering if any of you have any information that you wish to share.
  
The Costco rep says its a much better tire an improvement over the Traction T/A but I'm skeptical as I've never used that brand before. As a matter of fact I've only used Michelins but at $135 each I wanted to switch to a cheaper tire in these hard economic times but I don't want to regret that decision so any feedback would help.
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Re: Tire decision help [bwia] by m6user
Jul 22, 2009 (7:42 pm)
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Replying to: bwia (Jul 22, 2009 6:41 pm)

Last fall I had a set of Michelins put on a suv and a set of Goodrich put on a Tundra. Both from Costco. I've been very satisfied with both. The Goodrich were good this winter in Chicago snow on a two wheel drive p/u. I especially appreciated their grip when cornering and braking. Both tires are pretty quiet on freeway runs but I would have to say the Michelin is quieter.
 
Interesting(at least to me it is) note. I had the Michelins put on an Infiniti QX4 last September with 30lbs of nitrogen each. They have not needed one lb of air as of this time. I'm amazed at how the nitrogen stays in the tire. I personally didn't think it was that big of deal and Costco includes the nitrogen "no-charge". Before I considered it somewhat gimmicky and wouldn't have paid $20 or $30 to have it put in. But now that I've had it for almost a year I'm pretty sold on it. I heard it keeps your tires cooler on long runs too which is easier on your tires but I don't know if that has been absolutely proven or not.
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Re: Tire decision help [bwia] by acdii
Jul 23, 2009 (6:59 am)
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Replying to: bwia (Jul 22, 2009 6:41 pm)

I have a set of 6 Goodrich Commercial T/A's on my F350 dually, and they have good traction and long wear.
 
Here is a thing to consider about tires. Car manufacturers put tires on based not on traction or longevity, but based on what MPG's they can obtain. You may see Michelin's on a new car, but don't be surprised when they suck in the rain. We had a 92 Accord brand new, and had to replace the two front tires, which were Michelin's, with different tires because they were awful in wet weather. The tires on my Camry are wearing rather fast, 29.800 miles and they are nearly down to the wear bars.
 
Since this is a new line of tires, find out if they are a brand new design, or if they are a redesign of an existing tire, and if a redesign, base the decision off of the reports on the tires it replaced. Also check the ABC and wear ratings, those are actually pretty reliable.
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Re: midsize [sporin71] by mickeyrom
Jul 23, 2009 (7:26 am)
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Replying to: sporin71 (Jul 08, 2009 7:26 am)

How anyone can dismiss a Sonata out of hand,just baffles me.Have you owned one?(I don't have one,but leased one in the past)
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Why is the Optima not on this list? by mickeyrom
Jul 23, 2009 (7:28 am)
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I was told it was because it has it's own forum,but don't all of these cars too?

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