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#12752 of 13142 Re: Let them learn in a Crown Vic [elroy5] by thegraduate Jun 30, 2009 (8:17 pm)
Replying to: elroy5 (Jun 30, 2009 8:04 pm) I second the decision with ABS. I'll never own another car without it. It caused me to lock, fishtail, and eat guardrail when I was nearly run off the road back in my teenage years.   Also, whoever said there was no mileage difference in the Grand Marquis and Impala is dead wrong... 16/23 for the Mercury, 19/29 for the Chevrolet with the 3.4L engine, 18/27 for the bigger 3.8L V6 in the uppel level Impalas. That's quite good for the torquey motor. Replies to this message: acdii (Jul 08, 2009 12:31 pm) plekto (Jul 09, 2009 2:54 am)
#12753 of 13142 midsize by sporin71 Jul 08, 2009 (7:26 am)
Personally, I own an 08 Accord LX which I am very happy with however I wish I had gone for a higher trim. With deep discounts and some fresh faces on the scene I've considered trading up and the Fusion is a strong contender as I like the looks, the price, and SYNC is a big draw for me.   With a few notable exceptions aside, this segment is very good overall, with each doing various things better or worse in shades of gray.   That's why the decision is so hard.   Off my list: Altima: Dislike the looks, don't find the "drive" any better then it's competitors. Sonata: just not my cup of tea Jetta: Too small for the price imo. TDI Wagon would make me cave on size, but the premium price and lack of incentives kills it. Passat: premium price Galant/G6/Aura/Chrysler-Dodge: old stuff, not interested   Waffling: Malibu: Local dealer is toxic but the car seems ok, I'd like to check it out Camry: I'm a Toyota Truck guy, but have never loved their cars, I find their interiors confining as they always use a very high center console which my fat self doesn't fit well. Need to drive one again, my buddy just bought a black one with tan leather and it's very nice looking. Legacy: Love that I can get a wagon but they are everywhere up here and I just don't like the current version, as much as I've tried. Maybe the next-gen will be better for me.   Top of the heap: Fusion: Love Sync, looks, price, lots of local dealers. Wish I could get leather, HIDS & the manual. An SE 4cyl/6spd with the Sun n' Sync package is pretty close though. Accord: Love our LX, and EX-L 4cyl would be perfect. Exceptional local dealer. Just wonder if I want the "same car" again. Mazda6: Nearest dealer is almost an hour away, the model I want is a unicorn ('09 6iGT-manual... no GT manual for '10) Replies to this message: maxamillion85 (Jul 08, 2009 10:47 am) mickeyrom (Jul 23, 2009 7:26 am)
#12754 of 13142 Re: midsize [sporin71] by maxamillion85 Jul 08, 2009 (10:47 am)
Replying to: sporin71 (Jul 08, 2009 7:26 am) Sporin, according to some info I've read over on Cars.com the Fusion SE and SEL models will be adding "Apperance pkgs" pretty soon...pretty similar to the pkgs offered on 09 and earlier models. Pricing has not been announced on these pkgs, but content is available. Monochrome Appearance Package Includes a unique finish on IP spears and center stack, Body Colored Grille, 18" Machined Aluminum w/Painted Pockets, Rear Spoiler, Unique Cloth Front Bucket Seats Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel & Shift Knob   Appearance Package Includes a unique finish on IP spears and center stack, Chrome Grille, 18" Machined Aluminum w/Painted Pockets, Rear Spoiler, Unique Cloth Front Bucket Seats, Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel & Shift Knob   Pricing should be available sometime in the near future for the trim level pkgs, I'm glad to see true alloy wheels will be available for SE model Fusions as opposed to the fascia covers on SE models now.
#12755 of 13142 Re: Let them learn in a Crown Vic [thegraduate] by acdii Jul 08, 2009 (12:31 pm)
Replying to: thegraduate (Jun 30, 2009 8:17 pm) The Grand Marquis/Crown Vic is actually very easy to handle, don't let the size fool you. My mother always thought that way, the car is too big, and drove the smaller accords, until I brought home a 92 Vic that made her 92 Accord look cheap, then I let her drive it. A month later she traded her Accord for a 95 Grand Marquis, that was in 96, and she is still driving it today, with 138K miles on it. The car is very forgiving, has traction control and full ABS, gets 28 MPG on the highway, 21 in city/highway mixed, and has always been dependable for her. The car has plenty of power to get up and go, but not so much power that you would get in trouble, the power to weight ratio is just right for the majority of drivers out there today.   Oh I forgot to mention, she is 5' 1" tall. My wife is 5' 2" tall, and she learned to drive in a 1985 Grand Marquis, and that is an even larger car with boxy fenders and such.   I think the reason more cars like the Vic/GM aren't sold is the misconception that the car is too big to handle, when in reality, it is actually easier to handle than most FWD cars. Well that and it does look like a granny car. But ask any cop that drove a Vic and the Impala, and the majority will want the Vic. Replies to this message: plekto (Jul 09, 2009 2:54 am)
#12756 of 13142 Re: Let them learn in a Crown Vic [acdii] by plekto Jul 09, 2009 (2:54 am)
Replying to: acdii (Jul 08, 2009 12:31 pm) Case in point. I had my 4Runner (4WD with RWD) in the shop fixing a hole in my oil pan( ug ). It has mud terrain tires on it, a heavy-duty off-road transmission added, and a bunch of metal for bumpers and sliders and so on. ( read - about 4000-4200lbs dry )   My rental for the day was a Chevy Cobalt. Tiny thing, front wheel drive.   2500lbs plus FWD on street tires was twice the effort to steer as a 4200lb 4Runner with mud tires. Easier to handle is a massive understatement.
#12757 of 13142 Re: Wrong Guys [backy] by hyundaismoke Jul 09, 2009 (3:29 pm)
Replying to: backy (Jun 26, 2009 3:40 pm) I wouldnt call sales to only 4-5 countries in limited quantities mass production exactly. The Sonata Hybrid will be sold pretty much everywhere either as an i40 or a Sonata. Replies to this message: backy (Jul 09, 2009 6:07 pm)
#12758 of 13142 Re: Wrong Guys [mickeyrom] by hyundaismoke Jul 09, 2009 (3:36 pm)
Replying to: mickeyrom (Jun 26, 2009 3:39 pm) Well the Sonata according to Hyundai is supposed to be in the Ford Fusion Hybrid Ball Park.   Any small car using the Hyundai Small car Hybrid system will get close to 48MPG depending on size and weight.   This is an Article about the Engine Being placed in a KIA Soul. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/paris/2008/kiasoulhybridnews.html
#12759 of 13142 Re: Wrong Guys [hyundaismoke] by backy Jul 09, 2009 (6:07 pm)
Replying to: hyundaismoke (Jul 09, 2009 3:29 pm) Call it what you want. The point is, previous Hyundai hybrids before the new Elantra hybrid have not been available to the general public.
#12760 of 13142 Mazda Hybrid??? by aviboy97 Jul 16, 2009 (10:57 am)
Let's see if I can wake everyone up in here!   News today came in that Toyota and Mazda are in discussions for Toyota to license hybrid components to Mazda for Mazda Hybrid vehicles. Sources close to the situation report Mazda could have a mass produced hybrid here by 2012-2013. Possibly a Mazda6 Hybrid? That sure would be nice! Replies to this message: mickeyrom (Jul 16, 2009 11:13 am) acdii (Jul 16, 2009 11:24 am)
#12761 of 13142 Mazda Hybrid, use Ford's tech ? by rdm925 Jul 16, 2009 (11:10 am)
I think a Mazda 6, hybrid would be great. Why not use Ford Fusion's tech. If Ford still owned 30 plus % they could do and not wait 2-3 yrs. Replies to this message: aviboy97 (Jul 16, 2009 12:48 pm)

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