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13145 messages, Last post on Nov 11, 2009 at 8:09 AM
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 24, 2009 7:49 am) But I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch the last manual in my stable and go automatics-only. |
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jun 24, 2009 4:46 am) Agreed. If they loved their sticks so much they wouldn't have a problem paying extra. The argument of why should I pay more for less is kind of like eating at a French restaurant, you get less but it is supposedly so much better that you shouldn't mind paying $100 a plate. It's called exclusivity. If the manufacturers thought they could sell em(at a profit) ....they'd make em.
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Replying to: m6user (Jun 24, 2009 8:29 am) You cant put a manual on an engine built for an automatic, so you would need engines designed for manuals, along with the associated PCM. The engine would have different linkages, different flywheel, and other accessories, so overall it is less expensive to a car line to stick with one transmission type on a car run, than to have a manual as an option.
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Replying to: acdii (Jun 24, 2009 10:59 am) As far as CAFE is concerned, since most of the EPA numbers still show the manual trannies getting the same or better MPG I don't think that is of any consideration at this point. Could be in the future though. Right now I think it's strictly a demand thing that drives the production numbers.....not CAFE. |
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jun 23, 2009 6:30 pm) Oh good point. I will now just change my likes and wants to meet your paradigm. I stand corrected. /sarcasm |
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 24, 2009 7:49 am) ...replacing the "premium automatic" (read: slushbox) as that transmission can't hit the same fuel economy numbers Larger versions that can handle more torque are on the way but nothing is confirmed beyond the Fiesta. I'd bet the Fusion won't see one before 2011 - they just have so many other things to work on first. Volvo has it in Europe, slightly different but related transmission. |
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and rented a 2009 Toyota Camry. In a nutshell the car is easy and safe and secure to drive. However, I found myself not liking the "floaty" suspension/handling package. The car is quiet at freeway speeds, has easy to steer steering, just it would wander off the road and hit those zip-strips near the road's fogline all of the time. It did have a great stereo, and I had one of my favorite Foghat CD's and one of my favorite Guess Who CD's along on the trip with me, so that was very cool, to be able to rock out nicely. I drove two of my sisters and a friend of one of the sisters over to Kelowna, B.C. to see Randy Bachman and Burton Cummings of Guess Who fame in concert at Kelowna's Prospera Place. Nice to have a "safe" driver to drive up there, as the show started at 7:30PM and got out at around 11:30PM, so it was pitch-black for the drive back to the Okanogan, WA, area one of my sisters has built a home at. Overall I would give the 2009 Toyota Camry a score of 80 out of 100. For the more sportier handling I'd give a serious look at the 2009 Kia Optima, if I was interested in a car in this size-range. My 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS just handles too well and a big drop in handling as large as the Camry's would not cut it for me. I'd take a serious look at the Kia Optima, and from what I've heard, the midsize Optima would fit my bill perfectly. BTW-Kia is working on a new Optima-sized car right now codenamed the VG. So the Optima is under re-constructive surgery as I type this post out.
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Jun 24, 2009 8:01 pm)
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 25, 2009 4:52 am) |
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The Accent in 2005 was the first Hyundai Hybrid, then came the Elantra, then the Santa Fe. They sell these in limited quanitites in China and South Korea to test and work out the kinks in the real world before applying them to North American Products. The Sonata Hybrid will be the first mass produced Hyundai Hybrid. Hyundai actually invented its first Hybrid powertrain in 1994 with a modified Scoupe engine. Hyundai thought Hybrids were a pipe dream and changed focus to Hydrogen Fuel Cells. In Terms of Hydrogen Tech, Hyundai is the leader. In Terms of Hybrid Tech Toyota is the leader. By the way, Hyundai has a new Small Car Hybrid system they have in KIA C'eeds and Souls in Europe they are getting ready to drop in the Next Gen Accent. The System is Simple: 1. 1.6L Gamma Engine 126 HP. 2. 5 Speed Automatic Tranmission without torque converter. 3. 20 HP Electric Motor that acts and a Torque Converter. 4. Smart Alternator with intergrated Starter. 5. Hyundai ISG System (Idle Stop and Go System) 6. Either Nickel Hydride or Lithium Polymer Batteries stored under the back seats accessible by lifting the back seats up. 7. Regenerative Braking Motor. |
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