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Replying to: elroy5 (Jun 23, 2009 6:30 pm) Blasting a company because they are trying to optimise sales with what their research tells them will sell is crazy. If people want a stick shift so bad they should be willing to pay extra for it. Maybe the manufacturers wouldn't abandon it if they can make money selling them. I like to drive a stick shift once in awhile but not on an everday basis and can't afford to just have a car sitting around to drive occassionally. I think I fall into the vast majority of midsize sedan buyers so the manufacturers are just responding to the market. Instead of complaining so much about stick shifts not being offered in every vehicle out there, pony up the extra cash. If the enthusiats do that the manufacturers will be glad to accomadate them.
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I've been looking at both the Accord and Camry and a friend mentioned I should look at Hyundai. The Sonata looks similar to both the Accord/Camry and I wanted to find out how it compared to ride/comfort? The tiburon gs also looks nice. tia, Chris
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Replying to: m6user (Jun 23, 2009 7:37 pm) That is a good point, if market research told the manufacturers that a large number of folks* would pay $1000 extra to substitute a manual for an auto in a midsize sedan, perhaps they would come back as a premium option. *Note that "a large number" does not mean the 5 manual lovers reading this post, who are poised to respond with: "I'd pay $1000 extra and even more...". 
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jun 24, 2009 4:46 am) |
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Replying to: chris789 (Jun 23, 2009 8:51 pm) The Accord--sporty handling,taut steering wheel ,quite a bit of road noise. The Sonata is a bit of both actually. Plus the resale value of Camcord is much better than Sonata.Resale wont matter if u keep a car for 10 years or drive it till the wheels fall off. And if u are image conscious-go with Camry/Accord. Also a used 1 or 2 yr old Sonata can be a screaming bargain! |
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Replying to: igozoomzoom (Jun 24, 2009 4:57 am) They don't necessarily use less fuel anymore and when they do the difference may be negligable...at least they way they configure them on actual (midsize) cars. Rewarding driving experience depends on the driver, for most the manual is just an annoyance. It is no longer certain to be quicker, as evidenced by the recent comparison of a 4 cylinder midsize (was it the Mazda6) where the auto out accelerated the manual all the way to about 85 mph. Then there is the whole issue of DSG type transmissions perhaps starting to come in to play...will Ford be putting their "power shift" in the Fusion any time soon? Another advantage they had was that you typically had gotten one or two extra gears over the 3 and 4 speed automatics. This is now typically not the case...and in fact you may effectively lose the top gear in some cars. In my 2007 Mazda6, for example, 5th gear in the manual has a ratio that is fairly close to 4th in the auto. In my wife's 2005 Jetta the auto has a 6th gear that did not exist in the manual.
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Replying to: chris789 (Jun 23, 2009 8:51 pm) At any rate, you could drive the Sonata and get pricing even if only to have more negotiating power with the Toyota and Honda dealers. Another car to check out is the 2009 Optima--pricing is a little lower than the Sonata, but it has a suspension that is more tuned for handling than is the Sonata. If you like the way the Accord handles vs. the Camry, you may find the Optima more to your liking than the Sonata. But if you prefer the ride of the Camry, check out the Sonata GLS or Limited (SE has a sport-tuned suspension). |
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Jun 24, 2009 5:20 am) Ford's powershift DSGs will show up first on the Fiesta. It's more fuel efficient than a regular 6 speed so it will be targeted at smaller cars. Larger versions that can handle more torque are on the way but nothing is confirmed beyond the Fiesta. I'd bet the Fusion won't see one before 2011 - they just have so many other things to work on first.
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 24, 2009 7:49 am) But I'm not sure I'm ready to ditch the last manual in my stable and go automatics-only. |
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