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Replying to: cannon3 (Jun 21, 2009 6:37 pm) So we have a profitable niche manufacturer that is gaining market share as the number of vehicles sold is plummeting, and Toyota decides its a good time to implement their "one size fits most" policy...very interesting. |
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Replying to: cannon3 (Jun 21, 2009 6:46 pm) Any younger on here want to comment? Say the 30 and under crowd? So two college classmates of my sister went from a Probe and a Mazda3 to a Fusion. Interestingly enough, my sister and another classmate still have Mazda3s (and her classmate is thinking of a Fusion Hybrid) and a friend of mine traded an '05 for an '08. These were all people in CA and unrelated to a mfgr. In Michigan, everyone is somehow related to the auto industry - your brother or sister or grandma or aunt works for an OEM or a supplier and an get some type of discount program, which colors the gene pool a bit.
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 21, 2009 7:08 pm)
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Replying to: cannon3 (Jun 21, 2009 6:37 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jun 22, 2009 3:22 pm) Things that happened since Toyota got 17% share: 1. Legacy wagon gone 2. Auto-trans only WRX 3. Auto-trans only Outback turbo Definitely heading for one size fits most.
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Replying to: m6user (Jun 22, 2009 9:16 am) |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 22, 2009 6:27 pm) |
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 22, 2009 6:27 pm) 1. Legacy wagon gone 2. Auto-trans only WRX 3. Auto-trans only Outback turbo Definitely heading for one size fits most. I guess since Mazda now doesn't offer a manual with the 6S, nor does Honda with the Accord V6 4-door, they must also have had shares purchased by Toyota... 1. How about the possibility that the Legacy Wagon didn't sell? Considering I'm in Subaru heaven living in Upstate NY, and I've seen all of NONE on the roads without a dealer plate in the past 5+ years. 2. As long as I remember, the WRX has ALWAYS had a manual option, and still does. 3. Gotta knock this down to sales yet again, for pretty much the same reason in #1. The only thing that has happened since Toyota bought shares is the development (and cancellation) of a proposed sports coupe that was to be sold by both automakers. And 17% is less than the controlling percentage of 33.4%, according to Japanese law. Ask Ford...
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 22, 2009 6:27 pm) With poor sales and people opting for the very similar Legacy Outback, there is no reason to have a Legacy wagon. As a member of one of the largest Subaru dealers in the nation, I can attest to the fact that the Legacy wagon did not sell. 2. Auto-trans only WRX 5-speed manual still offered 3. Auto-trans only Outback turbo The Outback is not a car for enthusiasts. For all intents and purposes, it's an SUV according to Subaru. Again, we can point to lack of interest as a reason not to offer a manual Outback turbo. In my opinion, Subaru is headed in the right direction. Outside of looks, the new Legacy sedan seems to offer something for everyone. If you want FE, buy the 2.5i with CVT. If you want a little fun, but the manual 2.5i. Power? 2.5GT or H6. Throw into that the ever popular Outback, Forester (selling like hot cakes BTW), and WRX / WRX STi and you have a popular car line. Outside of the Tribeca, everything is a good seller, in restricted regions of course! |
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jun 23, 2009 3:37 am) No, just giving up on the enthusiast market. I was surprised Mazda did that, but oh well. Honda seems to bring out the V6 manual towards the end of the model run. I think it makes more sense in the sedan than the Honda Monte Carlo...I mean Accord Coupe. 1. How about the possibility that the Legacy Wagon didn't sell? Considering I'm in Subaru heaven living in Upstate NY, and I've seen all of NONE on the roads without a dealer plate in the past 5+ years. I think that;s because they are all in my neighborhood. How do you define "didn't sell?" Did you define it as 300,000 units/yr like Toyota does with the Camry or 60,000 like a small profitable European manufacturer does with their 3-series? 3. Gotta knock this down to sales yet again, for pretty much the same reason in #1. Again, what constitutes sales? The reason we went with Subaru last time is they had a sporty mid-size wagon with a manual transmission. If they are just making a boat with a slushbox, I can get that for a lot less $$. The only thing that has happened since Toyota bought shares is the development (and cancellation) of a proposed sports coupe that was to be sold by both automakers. And Toyota having access to Subaru plants in the US for manufacturing, allowing they have reserve capacity, made possible by canceling/eliminating models. 
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