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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Saturn Aura, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [lilengineerboy] by mz6greyghost
Jun 10, 2009 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 10, 2009 9:00 am)

I don't understand the race to be bland though. Subaru will never be Toyota, nor will Ford. Subaru would do better to be more like BMW, lower volume, higher mix, higher profit margin (because they are actually cars people want and are willing to pay for, instead of being lowest price bidder).
 
Quoted for agreement. I personally don't think Subaru (or Mazda or VW for that matter) has to sell 40K sedans per month to be successful. In fact, I see them filling a niche that includes people that actually ENJOY driving and doesn't consider their car as "just another appliance" like a toaster.
 
Back to the Legacy: The pics that were released a few months ago weren't impressive, but the Edmunds article showed some decent angles. The rear end still looks a little generic, and the headlights still scream Sebring, but I've got more hope that it does look better in person than in photos, something I couldn't say about the concept shown earlier this year.
 
The interior IMO is a HUGE improvement over the current model. I am intrigued by the blue gauges (as well as in the Fusion Sport), and it looks to be more driver-oriented than the current model as well.
 
Of course, I'll wait and see it in person (and take a test-drive) until I can make a verdict, but I've got more hope than I did before on Subaru getting it right...
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [lilengineerboy] by backy
Jun 10, 2009 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 10, 2009 9:00 am)

Subaru will never be Toyota...
 
Actually, that is not too far fetched a scenario...Subaru being more like Toyota.
 
Uniqueness (ala boxer engine) has its good points, but it cost money--which is in short supply with low sales volumes.
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Auto industry questions? by pat HOST
Jun 10, 2009 (1:46 pm)
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Ford pushing for #1 by backy
Jun 11, 2009 (12:25 pm)
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I got a "special invitation" in the mail today: $750 off any Ford, Mercury, or Lincoln in addition to all other offers. Good on the 2009 and 2010 Fusion and Milan, et. al. Looks like Ford is pulling out all the stops to grab market share while its major competitors are struggling. Unfortunately, the invitation came about two months too late for me, but had it come earlier I might be in a closeout-priced 2009 Fusion or Milan now--I might have been able to snap one up for around $13k with the $750 off.
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Re: Ford pushing for #1 [backy] by akirby
Jun 11, 2009 (2:25 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 11, 2009 12:25 pm)

Ford has been doing those special offers for at least a couple of years now. They're targeted at specific individuals and since they're not public incentives they don't affect resale value as much.
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Re: Ford pushing for #1 [backy] by ajbrown1
Jun 16, 2009 (1:35 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 11, 2009 12:25 pm)

Hey backy any idea why you were sent that "special invitation" or how I might get one? Thanks
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Re: Ford pushing for #1 [ajbrown1] by backy
Jun 16, 2009 (2:44 pm)
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Replying to: ajbrown1 (Jun 16, 2009 1:35 pm)

I have no idea other than I have test-driven the Fusion and Milan, and have test-driven some used cars at other Ford/Mercury dealerships, so at least a few dealers have me in their database. But companies can get mailing lists in all sorts of ways.
 
Also my regular razor is the Fusion. That must be it.
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Re: Ford pushing for #1 [ajbrown1] by jeff_h
Jun 16, 2009 (4:10 pm)
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Replying to: ajbrown1 (Jun 16, 2009 1:35 pm)

I got one by going to the fordvehicles.com web site and going to the Fusion area and requesting a brochure be mailed to me. Instead of the big brochure I got a mini-brochure and that $750 coupon.
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Re: Ford pushing for #1 [jeff_h] by explorerx4
Jun 16, 2009 (5:55 pm)
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Replying to: jeff_h (Jun 16, 2009 4:10 pm)

that's how it's done.
my wife originally was looking at a lincoln, so i requested a lincoln brochure.
then she decided she wanted to look at fords, so i requested a ford brochure.
we ended up buying a ford.
we wanted the lincoln, but the dealer played too many games.
we decided to buy a ford from a place where we had a better experience.
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Re: Ford pushing for #1 [explorerx4] by berri
Jun 17, 2009 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jun 16, 2009 5:55 pm)

we wanted the lincoln, but the dealer played too many games.
we decided to buy a ford from a place where we had a better experience.

 
...and you essentially got the same thing at a much lower price and less depreciation! Also, I've always found that if a dealer plays games in the sales dept. they likely do the same thing in service. You were wise to run.

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