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Warrantys by elroy5
Jun 10, 2009 (7:19 am)
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Any car, new or used, has the estimated cost of the warranty factored into the price. The company has to decide if a long warranty will attract more customers, than the added cost of the longer warranty will deter. Companies who determine they have lost buyers, because of reliability issues in the past, are usually the ones who will benefit more from extending the warranty.
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2010 Subaru Legacy by mz6greyghost
Jun 10, 2009 (7:19 am)
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Amazing...
 
A brand-new 2010 Legacy is about to be released: First Drive, and not a single word or opinion about it here?
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [mz6greyghost] by m6user
Jun 10, 2009 (7:23 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jun 10, 2009 7:19 am)

You must have missed the lively discussion about this new model a couple of months ago. A lot of strong opinions expressed and a lot of pictures posted.
 
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [m6user] by mz6greyghost
Jun 10, 2009 (7:27 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Jun 10, 2009 7:23 am)

Nah, I remember it, it's just that now we're starting to get driving impressions. Plus, all this warranty talk is nauseating...
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [mz6greyghost] by ingvar
Jun 10, 2009 (7:45 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jun 10, 2009 7:19 am)

Car looks good and I love tech specs.
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [mz6greyghost] by m6user
Jun 10, 2009 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jun 10, 2009 7:27 am)

Agreed. I stated then and will reemphasize that I don't care for the bodywork on the new Legacy even though the interior, size, drivetrain and tech have improved a lot IMHO.
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [m6user] by stephen987
Jun 10, 2009 (8:40 am)
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Replying to: m6user (Jun 10, 2009 7:55 am)

It's ugly, and it's not clear that the US market will get the improved technology, suspension, and/or drivetrain. I'm waiting for a full road test of a US-spec car before I have anything further to say.
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [mz6greyghost] by backy
Jun 10, 2009 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jun 10, 2009 7:27 am)

Oh yeah, I remember that car... the next incarnation of the soon-to-be-defunct Sebring, if I remember the consensus opinion.
 
Will be interesting to see if this new, larger Legacy with a back seat suitable for adult passengers can grab more than a miniscule portion of the mid-sized market, in which it is an afterthought. I mean, Toyota sells about twice as many Camrys in the US in a month as Subaru sells vehicles.
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [backy] by lilengineerboy
Jun 10, 2009 (9:00 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 10, 2009 8:45 am)

Will be interesting to see if this new, larger Legacy with a back seat suitable for adult passengers can grab more than a miniscule portion of the mid-sized market, in which it is an afterthought. I mean, Toyota sells about twice as many Camrys in the US in a month as Subaru sells vehicles
 
I don't understand the race to be bland though. Subaru will never be Toyota, nor will Ford. Subaru would do better to be more like BMW, lower volume, higher mix, higher profit margin (because they are actually cars people want and are willing to pay for, instead of being lowest price bidder).
 
Our '05 Legacy Wagon base 5 speed has been a lot of fun. The back seat is tight, especially with the baby/child seat back there but it does offer a great deal of utility, reasonable power and mileage, and a fantastic driving experience. Of course, Subaru no longer makes that vehicle, so they are no longer on my shopping list. I hope it lasts as long as its reputation suggests!
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Re: 2010 Subaru Legacy [lilengineerboy] by mz6greyghost
Jun 10, 2009 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: lilengineerboy (Jun 10, 2009 9:00 am)

I don't understand the race to be bland though. Subaru will never be Toyota, nor will Ford. Subaru would do better to be more like BMW, lower volume, higher mix, higher profit margin (because they are actually cars people want and are willing to pay for, instead of being lowest price bidder).
 
Quoted for agreement. I personally don't think Subaru (or Mazda or VW for that matter) has to sell 40K sedans per month to be successful. In fact, I see them filling a niche that includes people that actually ENJOY driving and doesn't consider their car as "just another appliance" like a toaster.
 
Back to the Legacy: The pics that were released a few months ago weren't impressive, but the Edmunds article showed some decent angles. The rear end still looks a little generic, and the headlights still scream Sebring, but I've got more hope that it does look better in person than in photos, something I couldn't say about the concept shown earlier this year.
 
The interior IMO is a HUGE improvement over the current model. I am intrigued by the blue gauges (as well as in the Fusion Sport), and it looks to be more driver-oriented than the current model as well.
 
Of course, I'll wait and see it in person (and take a test-drive) until I can make a verdict, but I've got more hope than I did before on Subaru getting it right...

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