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#11963 of 13338 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [deltheking] by jeffyscott Mar 09, 2009 (10:11 am)
Replying to: deltheking (Mar 08, 2009 1:46 pm) I said the Camry is better than the Accord not just based on CR reports but on lots of other things-- comfort,ride,noise,smooth including reliability.   Funny thing is CR does not share your view on the ranking of the Camry with regard to other factors. In their most recent ranking (Jan 2009), Camry is in a 6th place tie with Sonata amongst sedans priced at $20-25,000, here is their order:   1 Nissan Altima2.5 S (4-cvl) 2 Volkswagen ietta TDI 3 Toyota Prius Touring 4 Honda Accord LX-P(4-cyl.) 5 Kia Optima EX (d-cyU 6 Toyota Camry LE 4-cvl.) 7 Hyundai Sonata GLS (4-cvl.) 8 Volkswagen Jetta (2.5) 9 Kia Optima EX (V6) 10 Chevrolet Malibu LT{4-cvü 11 Mazda6 I Sport (4-cvl-) 12 Ford Fusion SE (4-cvl.) 13 Mercury Milan (base, 4 cyl.) 14 Toyota Prius (base) 15 Saturn Aura XE (4 cyl.) 16 Mitsubishi Galant ES (4 cyl.) 17 Pontiac G6 (base. 4 cvl) 18 Chrysler Sebring (Touring, 4 cyl.)   Most of these are good cars and the choice should be based on personal preferences. In CR rankings, the top 15 there are in the "very good" or "excellent" range. Also note that the trim level seems to have a lot to do with the scoring, as can be seen from the Prius moving from #3 to #14, depending on trim. Replies to this message: elroy5 (Mar 09, 2009 2:57 pm) jeffyscott (Mar 10, 2009 5:39 am) superm (Mar 10, 2009 8:39 am) jeffyscott (Mar 10, 2009 9:21 am)
#11964 of 13338 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [jeffyscott] by elroy5 Mar 09, 2009 (2:57 pm)
Replying to: jeffyscott (Mar 09, 2009 10:11 am) So I'm not the only one who's not crazy about the Mazda 6. I think most of the 6 is great. The front fenders are just way over-done. It looks like the RX8 front end was stuck onto some other midsize sedan. I like the Passat the best, because it's the only car without a major flaw. The Camry SE is nice up front, but the sides are too flat, and the rear is just strange. The front of the Accord is cool, but the butt is too big. The altima looks good from the side, but the tail lights are over-done, and front end slopes too much. The Malibu looks good from the side also, but the front needs help, and the tail lights scream cheap. The Fusion grill is waaaay too much. An aftermarket grill may do wonders for it. Otherwise, it's ok. The Optima is overall just dull. The Sonata is boring, and has no hint of style. The Galant is too square, and totally forgetable. The Sebring is just a disaster from front bumper to rear bumper. Of course this is all just my opinion, and "looks" are near the bottom of my priority list anyway. Replies to this message: jeffyscott (Mar 10, 2009 5:39 am) superm (Mar 10, 2009 8:39 am) jeffyscott (Mar 10, 2009 9:21 am)
#11965 of 13338 Interesting by cannon3 Mar 09, 2009 (6:50 pm)
Much of this sedan ranking is based upon one or maybe a few journalists opinion. What it comes down to is what you like. Frankly I like the stacked headlight look of the present Fusion. The rear lights I can go either way. With some colors it looks better than others. Chrome can be toned down a bit here and there. I don't like the front end of the Camry, rear quarters is one of the nicest I feel however. Don't like the rear quarters of the Altima. All opinions I could go on for hours. Choice, this is what is nice. Competition breeds better cars for the consumer and it shows. This segment is the most competitive and it looks like GM/Ford are finally paying attention to what consumers want. Ford came to the party about 10 years later, but, I guess better late than never!
#11966 of 13338 Re: Best exterior design [madpistol] by maxamillion85 Mar 09, 2009 (9:22 pm)
Replying to: madpistol (Mar 08, 2009 9:40 pm) 1) Honda Accord EX and Up: I just find the design to be very very attractive...almost stately looking. In pics it looks disjointed but in person the Accord IMO as a presence that can't be matched in this class. I Love the front end treatment. Taillights could use some touching up (LEDs) but otherwise I think its the best.   2) Tie: Chevrolet Malibu 2LT and LTZ and Saturn Aura XR4 and XR6: LTZ models with the 18s are stately looking IMO. The side profile and front end of the Malibu's best areas, the rear taillamps are a little iffy but its nice overall. The car has a low, tapered "finished" looked to it. Aura takes the design cues a bit furthered. I love the 18s on the XR6, even if they are difficult to keep clean. I also like the front end of the Aura. The side profile is nice too, even if the back end is risen a bit too high. The rear taillights with the LEDs are the best in the class IMO.   3) Mazda6 i/s Touring and Grand Touring: I think if I'd never seen the Euro Mazda6 I'd like our version much better, but the car just seems to long and too big for the design cues Mazda is trying to pull off. I'm not a big fan of the front end...which looks like a poor mouth with braces running across the front (same as altima) and I think the rear c pillars look strange as well. From the side the car almost looks like a hatchback. I do like the rear end though. i T/GT models look tacky with those ugly 17 inch snow flake wheels.   4) Hyundai Sonata SE and LTD: Some call it bland, some call it boring but I find the Sonata to be an attractive looking car. I came to really appreciate it after it got facelifted. Love the LTD models 17s, they give the car an elegant look IMO.   5) Ford Fusion SE, SEL, Sport (2010 models): I had the opportunity to look at the Fusion (and Milan) at the Chicago Int'l Autoshow in Feb. While I love the front end and rear end of the new Fusion I dont think the revised look matches up with the the side profile that well. The car still looks nice but it looks like a design for the late 1990s...   6) Nissan Altima SL/SE: As the owner of an 05 Altima, I am not a big fan of the current generation. Smallish 16 and 17 inch wheels on a bulky, curvy body with a potato looking, poor mouth front end, companied with a hatchbacked looking profile don't work for me. I prefer the hard edge, wedgy shape of my generation.   7) Toyota Camry SE/XLE: SE models look nice enough with the body kit but in XLE form the car bores me to death.   8) VW Passat: It only comes in one trim level for 09 and it's boring. From the side the short wheelbase on long body gives the Passat a tipsy beached whale look that doesn't work well with the 17 inch alloy wheels.   9) Dodge Avenger   10) Mitsubishi Galant   11) Chrysler Sebring
#11967 of 13338 Best midsize based on GPS navigation by bwia Mar 10, 2009 (4:09 am)
So far lots of discussion about best looking interior/exterior, handling, NVH and value. But which midsize has the best integrated voice activated GPS Navigation, blue tooth and music system. The best I've seen out there is in the Acura RL but that car is not in the same class discussed here.   Next to the RL, I think OnStar hands-free navigation with Bluetooth in the Malibu and Aura are technologically the best systems out there, although pricey at $300 per year. Don't know much about the Camry's GPS but if it works as poorly as the one in the Avalon then it would be at the bottom of the list. Replies to this message: akirby (Mar 10, 2009 5:41 am) tallman1 (Mar 10, 2009 7:31 am) bobgwtw (Mar 10, 2009 9:10 pm)
#11968 of 13338 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [elroy5] by jeffyscott Mar 10, 2009 (5:39 am)
Replying to: elroy5 (Mar 09, 2009 2:57 pm) I agree on the new Mazda6, the over-grown RX-8 look just does not work for me...and I love the way the RX-8 itself looks. Kind of like how the over-grown Passat look did not work for the Ford 500.   The two best looking mid-size cars in recent years (to me) were the prior editions of the Mazda6 and the prior edition of the Passat.   Were I buying today, all things considered, I'd probably lean toward a Fusion, with modified grill:
#11969 of 13338 Re: Best midsize based on GPS navigation [bwia] by akirby Mar 10, 2009 (5:41 am)
Replying to: bwia (Mar 10, 2009 4:09 am) You must not have tried Ford's Sync yet.
#11970 of 13338 Re: Best midsize based on GPS navigation [bwia] by tallman1 Mar 10, 2009 (7:31 am)
Replying to: bwia (Mar 10, 2009 4:09 am) The best I've seen out there is in the Acura RL   Doesn't Honda use the same navi in the Accord and RL?
#11971 of 13338 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [jeff [lilengineerboy] by lightfootfl Mar 10, 2009 (7:58 am)
Replying to: lilengineerboy (Mar 08, 2009 8:57 am) Sorry guys, but I just have to jump in here and say, why not have a gauge that indicates the oil pressure? They used to have those things you know. Actually we can really get carried away and insert good working indicators for just about everything, but most of us wouldn't like the "air plane cockpit" feeling we might end up with... and besides who would actually look at all those things?? Just something else to think about. Van Replies to this message: superm (Mar 10, 2009 8:28 am) jeffyscott (Mar 10, 2009 9:16 am) elroy5 (Mar 10, 2009 2:26 pm) lilengineerboy (Mar 10, 2009 2:48 pm) explorerx4 (Mar 10, 2009 4:24 pm) lilengineerboy (Mar 10, 2009 6:22 pm) jeffyscott (Mar 11, 2009 5:12 am) stephen987 (Mar 11, 2009 5:18 am)
#11972 of 13338 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [lightfootfl] by superm Mar 10, 2009 (8:28 am)
Replying to: lightfootfl (Mar 10, 2009 7:58 am) I've had several older Mercedes that have oil pressure gauges, but unless you've got a methodical scan method you're 99% unlikely to see a pressure drop before there are also lots of broken engine noises. Much prefer the ECM monitoring pressure and telling me if there is a problem via an audible and visual alert such as is possible on my Passat.   There are times that pressure info is useful, especially as cars get older and/or for people who have turbos and such. But even then the conditions are so relatively rare and there are so few people who would care that I understand why the gauges are gone.

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