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What is this discussion about? Hyundai Sonata, Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, Nissan Altima, Volkswagen Passat, Mazda MAZDA6, Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Kia Optima, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#11927 of 18227 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [deltheking] by canddmeyer

Mar 08, 2009 (2:02 pm)

Replying to: deltheking (Mar 08, 2009 7:21 am)
A friend of ours has a GS350. We liked the TL better. The GS lacked rear headroom. I could sit up straight in the back seat of the TL, but not the GS350. We thought the GS350 was noisier than the TL. The Nav on the Toyota product was useless, and our friend will confirm that, plus the Lexus costs more. The TL was bigger inside, while the GS350 was cramped. Both rode nice, but I thought my parents 1999 Camry rode better than our friends 2008 Lexus.
 
Thanks for your opinion, but our observations are different.

#11928 of 18227 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [canddmeyer] by deltheking

Mar 08, 2009 (2:35 pm)

Replying to: canddmeyer (Mar 08, 2009 2:02 pm)
Only a biased person would say - the 99 camry is less noisy than an 08 lexus gs.
Please get real.Its ok,if u dont like Lexus but absurd statements like these dont help anyone.
And again nobody would say that the TL is quieter than the lexus.Not even guys who dislike Lexus.
Please be objective in your criticism and not subjective.
This is a forum for the pros and cons of midsize cars,,not outrageous statements like yours.thanks.

#11929 of 18227 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [deltheking] by stephen987

Mar 08, 2009 (2:38 pm)

Replying to: deltheking (Mar 08, 2009 2:35 pm)
Please be objective in your criticism and not subjective.
 
That's an interesting request, coming from someone who claims that the Camry is better in every way than the Accord, but ignores CR reliability data drawn from thousands of owners.

#11930 of 18227 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [stephen987] by deltheking

Mar 08, 2009 (2:46 pm)

Replying to: stephen987 (Mar 08, 2009 2:38 pm)
I said the Camry is better than the Accord not just based on CR reports but on lots of other things-- comfort,ride,noise,smooth including reliability.
U are basing your opinion on the CR average 07 camry rating.
If u go by CR then the Accord has horrible transmission issues which is a huge problem.All 98-04 Accords have a complete black dot in trans.major.
So, with data ,then, the Accord is a very unreliable car.

#11931 of 18227 Criticism: Objective/Subjective by thegraduate

Mar 08, 2009 (2:49 pm)

Both are welcome here, last I checked. It just can't be personal. This forum has gotten shut-down before because of it.
 

#11932 of 18227 Re: Criticism: Objective/Subjective [thegraduate] by deltheking

Mar 08, 2009 (2:52 pm)

Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 08, 2009 2:49 pm)
No,not at all,,nothing personal here.
Its a great forum to share your views and the pros and cons of each car.That`s what makes these forums so great.
And buyers can make a very informed guess with the info here.

#11933 of 18227 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [deltheking] by backy

Mar 08, 2009 (2:57 pm)

Replying to: deltheking (Mar 08, 2009 2:46 pm)
All 98-04 Accords have a complete black dot in trans.major.
So, with data ,then, the Accord is a very unreliable car.
 
You really need to check your facts. The facts are that CR (April Auto Issue) shows ONE black dot for the Accord, for the 2003 V6. That's it, from 2003-8 (the years reported in the April issue). And it shows for overall predicted reliability, the Accord is at least "Above Average" every year from 2003-8. It also shows the Camry is Average or Below Average for 2008 (I4 and V6) and Average for 2007 (V6). And across the 2003-2008 MYs, CR has 3 black dots and three half-black dots for the Camry, vs. the one black dot across those same MYs for the Accord.
 
So the data, then, shows the Camry is less reliable than the Accord, at least for 2003-8.

#11934 of 18227 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [deltheking] by canddmeyer

Mar 08, 2009 (3:24 pm)

Replying to: deltheking (Mar 08, 2009 2:35 pm)
Get a life. I offer an honest opinion and you choose to berate me. READ it again....nowhere did I say the 99 Camry was less noisy than an 08 GS. I said my parents Camry rode better then the Lexus GS350.
 
I never said I didn't like Lexus. I said I liked the TL better than the GS350. How's that not liking Lexus? Your biases are showing.
 
I'll say the TL is quieter than the Lexus. My wife will same the same thing. The only person not being subjective and openminded is you.
 
If you find this outrageous, then take your attitude elsewhere. Thanks...for nothing.

#11935 of 18227 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [delt by lilengineerboy

Mar 08, 2009 (3:30 pm)

Replying to: deltheking (Mar 08, 2009 1:53 pm)
Thats the key issue here.They say I dont want a Camry but eventually go and buy one. It`s easy to say the Camry is boring,,but when the time comes to spend 20k for a car,,then u think about comfort and reliability.
 
I agree, if I was spending 20k on a car, I would definitely want something that meets as many of my needs AND WANTS as possible, and that is what keeps the Camry off my list.
 
Nobody likes to spend 20k on a car,however sporty it may be ,,,which is mostly in the repair shop.
 
So unless you are looking at an '87 Yugo, that is pretty much not the case. The new CU auto issue said the difference between a red dot and a black dot was something like 3 dealer visits over 5 years. That is definitely worth it to me.
 
And folks who can afford both these types-- well they are the D3 management-- who get bonuses and obnoxious salaries with people`s money.
 
Ignorance revealed.

#11936 of 18227 Re: Best mid sized sedans by lilengineerboy

Mar 08, 2009 (3:33 pm)

Replying to: canddmeyer (Mar 08, 2009 3:24 pm)
Wow...I wonder if the loss of sales and Toyota having to go to the Japanese government for help has spawned gorilla advertising from fan-boys on enthusiasts sites.
 
I just think its cool he has a car he likes.

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