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Midsize Sedans 2.0

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#11906 of 18220 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [backy] by canddmeyer

Mar 08, 2009 (2:07 am)

Replying to: backy (Mar 07, 2009 6:40 pm)
About the Mazda6. We finally got to test drive a Mazda6s GT today. It was good, but not great. It probably didn't help that our salesperson didn't know much about the vehicle they were trying to sell. The ride, while composed, showed every road imperfection. The biggest disappointment from the get-go was the road noise. The 18" tires made noise at all speeds, and while not overly intrusive it made itself known, even at 25mph.
 
The seats were very comfortable and the trunk was cavernous. Everything about he vehicle, including the Nav, seemed to be up to snuff. Nothing stood out, but nothing lacked except for the road noise insulation. But we had test drove an Acura TL before driving the Mazda, and the Acura was definitely more car, although at $10,000 more it might be a wash.
 
I haven't been in the other midsize vehicles yet, although I'd like to try the latest Malibu. But since it is the wife's daily driver, and since the wife hated previous Malibu Classic rentals, GM probably screwed itself marketing what they did in the rental market. as that's all the renters know for product representation.
 
Btw, we got into a Dodge Ram 1500 today. If anyone is considering a new pickup, the 2009 Ram is pretty darn nice.

#11907 of 18220 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [deltheking] by jeffyscott

Mar 08, 2009 (5:27 am)

Replying to: deltheking (Mar 07, 2009 8:58 pm)
And,I wish someone could drive me everyday.
 
Hmm...
 
Toyota...passengers wanted?
 
But you know, even as a passenger, the Camry is not desireable to me. I find the seat cushion to be too short to be really comfortable.

#11908 of 18220 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [canddmeyer] by deltheking

Mar 08, 2009 (7:21 am)

Replying to: canddmeyer (Mar 08, 2009 1:46 am)
If u are looking for a luxury car- go with the Lexus.Absolutely the best out there.Go in for a used one-- much cheaper plus Lexus has a bullet proof reliability.
The ride is the smoothest of any sedan I have seen.If u are planning to spend 40k on an Acura,, u might as well buy a Lexus.As road noise and rough ride are vital to u,an Acura would end up in significant buyers remorse.
 
And yes,if a smooth quiet ride is what u like,then definitely avoid the mazda.It`s even rougher and noisier than the Accord.Some people prefer it,some not.
 
So go in for used Lexus if u want a luxury car and go in for a Toyota if u want a midsize sedan.For your needs,they are the best choices.
 
Just,MHO.

#11909 of 18220 Re: Mid size [thegraduate] by akirby

Mar 08, 2009 (8:46 am)

Replying to: thegraduate (Mar 07, 2009 2:59 pm)
can someone enlighten me on the similarities or differences (if any of either) between the 6-speed auto in the Malibu, et. al. and the 6-speed in Ford's Taurus?
 
The internal hardware was jointly developed by GM and Ford, but they use different controllers and different software.

#11910 of 18220 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [deltheking] by akirby

Mar 08, 2009 (8:50 am)

Replying to: deltheking (Mar 07, 2009 9:15 pm)
Nobody wants theFusion except for rental fleets who nurse them them for 2 years and then abandon them on the used market to fend for themselves!!!!!
 
Toyota puts more Camrys in rental fleets than Ford does with the Fusion. Ford stopped fleet dumping 2 years ago.

#11911 of 18220 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [delt by lilengineerboy

Mar 08, 2009 (9:19 am)

Replying to: deltheking (Mar 08, 2009 7:21 am)
So go in for used Lexus if u want a luxury car and go in for a Toyota if u want a midsize sedan.For your needs,they are the best choices.
  
Just,MHO.
 
He might have a point; it was pointed out by a high ranking Toyota official that the number one selling flavor of ice cream is vanilla. Also, because of the number of people that just see cars as a means to an end, I would assume the market is ripe for vanilla. I just don't understand why if someone just wanted Vanilla, they wouldn't go for a '04-'07 Taurus and save the 20k on the Camry for a vacation at some isolated resort somewhere.
Even BMW is removing the dipstick from a lot of their vehicles (the one under the hood, not the one driving ) because no one checks oil anyway anymore.

#11912 of 18220 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [delt [lilengineerboy] by deltheking

Mar 08, 2009 (9:39 am)

Replying to: lilengineerboy (Mar 08, 2009 9:19 am)
If ride quality,comfort and a quiet cabin are priorities then the Camry is absolutely the best.The 04-07 Ford Tauruses are not even close,plus their reliability is also a big question mark.
I was replying to the OP`s new car options-- So a new Camry is way better than the new Fusion.
Also,if a used car was the OP`s priority,, then why go in for a 04-07 Taurus,,when u can go in for a used 02-06 Camry with better reliability.

#11913 of 18220 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [delt [lilengineerboy] by jeffyscott

Mar 08, 2009 (9:46 am)

Replying to: lilengineerboy (Mar 08, 2009 9:19 am)
Even BMW is removing the dipstick from a lot of their vehicles (the one under the hood, not the one driving ) because no one checks oil anyway anymore.
 
It makes much more sense to have an oil level monitor that turns on if it gets low. This is done for windshield washer fluid, why not oil. Way back in 1997, my Windstar had a monitor with a light to tell you that the windshield washer fluid is low. Why do that, but continue to rely on a dip stick for oil?

#11914 of 18220 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [delt by lilengineerboy

Mar 08, 2009 (9:54 am)

Replying to: deltheking (Mar 08, 2009 9:39 am)
If ride quality,comfort and a quiet cabin are priorities then the Camry is absolutely the best. The 04-07 Ford Tauruses are not even close,plus their reliability is also a big question mark.
 
We appreciate your subjective opinion. I disagree with it, but appreciate it none the less. I just see them as equally miserable to drive I guess.
 
Also,if a used car was the OP`s priority,, then why go in for a 04-07 Taurus,,when u can go in for a used 02-06 Camry with better reliability.
 
Actually, it was the 02-06 Camry that caused the Camry to lose its red dot in Consumer Reports, so your information is again sounding pretty subjective. Another element in the decision process might be cost, since the 04-07 Taurus is about 1/3 the cost of the Camry.

#11915 of 18220 Re: Best mid sized sedans -1.T.Camry 2.H.Sonata 3.N.Altima 4.F.Fusion [jeff by lilengineerboy

Mar 08, 2009 (9:57 am)

Replying to: jeffyscott (Mar 08, 2009 9:46 am)
It makes much more sense to have an oil level monitor that turns on if it gets low. This is done for windshield washer fluid, why not oil. Way back in 1997, my Windstar had a monitor with a light to tell you that the windshield washer fluid is low. Why do that, but continue to rely on a dip stick for oil?
 
How much of the time was the light on? The light in my folks Caravan was on so much it burnt out. All cars have a warning for low oil pressure, some for level, but those both require sensors, those both require messages in the cluster and or warnings and telltales. There is enough data showing that warning lights, tell tales and messages are pretty worthless for anything important in the vehicle.
 
I do see your argument though, since no one uses it anyway, its not like the light is going to be any less effective. How are those low tire pressure warning systems working out?

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