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#11529 of 13339 Re: [mz6greyghost] by aviboy97 Jan 21, 2009 (8:57 am)
Replying to: mz6greyghost (Jan 21, 2009 6:47 am) Unfortunately not.   Official changes or modifications for MY2010 have not been announced, either. The only alteration I am aware of is that production Job #2 will incorporate Hiroshima built 2.5L engines into the production of the NA Mazda6 along with the ones built in Mexico. Its basically just the block and heads. All other components are assembled at AAI (alternator, exhaust, etc)
#11530 of 13339 Re: [baggs32] by backy Jan 21, 2009 (3:47 pm)
Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 20, 2009 10:07 am) Recall that your assertion was:   Therefore someone coming out of an SUV for FE purposes would choose one of them [mid-sized hybrid sedan] over a Prius every time I say.   So I provided a few examples from the Prius Prices Paid discussion to illustrate that there are SUV owners who have seriously considered, and purchased, a Prius. Some of these examples are very specific that the decision was based on FE. Here are snippets of the examples I posted, with key text bolded:   From 172 (someone trading an SUV for a Prius): "My question is - what do I have to be careful of at this point? We already agreed upfront on MSRP, which seems standard in the Bay Area. He promised a fair trade-in value for my SUV (which he preliminarily estimated through Edmunds figures, amounting to about $2000 below Kelley - any suggestions on this?). And I've told him that I'll be paying cash."    From 744 (looking for pricing on a Prius): "We are new to California and gas prices are forcing my hand out of an 06 SUV."    From 1471: "The 4 week waiting list [for a Prius] is probably not such a bad thing since I have a SUV I am trying to unload - 4 weeks might not be enough."     From 1693: "I think I am getting the car {Prius} free with the savings from the suv that I gave up."    Note that all of these posts are from a time when there was at least one mid-sized hybrid sedan available--Camry Hybrid at minimum, and for some also the Altima and GM hybrids. As you pointed out, the FFH isn't available for sale yet, so there aren't yet any posts in the Prius "prices paid" discussion about how someone chose a Prius over the FFH. But wait a few months, when the 2010 FFH and 2010 Prius are at dealers, and then I predict we'll see that kind of comparison... just as folks in the recent past, represented by the posts above, took a good look at and (in some cases) actully bought a Prius instead of the mid-sized sedan hybrids available to them. Replies to this message: baggs32 (Jan 22, 2009 2:00 pm) thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 2:40 pm) backy (Jan 22, 2009 6:03 pm)
#11531 of 13339 Re: [backy] by baggs32 Jan 22, 2009 (2:00 pm)
Replying to: backy (Jan 21, 2009 3:47 pm) just as folks in the recent past, represented by the posts above, took a good look at and (in some cases) actully bought a Prius instead of the mid-sized sedan hybrids available to them.   I read every example you gave me in that post and not one of those people said they actually bought a Prius. They all just said they were thinking about it or trying to buy one. If you follow their post trail to the end (just click on their user name to see their posts like I did) you'll see that they still don't claim to have bought a Prius months later. Just some price checking and such went on. None of them claimed to have cross-shopped the Prius with a Camry hybrid, or any other mid-sized hybrid, either. That is another part of my claim which I still stand by.   I wouldn't be surprised if all of them are still driving those SUVs because they didn't want to lose a ton of cash trading them in when gas prices were high.   I think this is getting old because I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over again. It's boring me so I can't imagine what the other forum members feel like right now. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. Replies to this message: thegraduate (Jan 22, 2009 2:40 pm) backy (Jan 22, 2009 6:03 pm)
#11532 of 13339 Re: [baggs32] by thegraduate Jan 22, 2009 (2:40 pm)
Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 22, 2009 2:00 pm) I think this is getting old because I feel like I'm repeating myself over and over again. It's boring me so I can't imagine what the other forum members feel like right now.   It is.   A new topic, anyone?
#11533 of 13339 Re: [baggs32] by backy Jan 22, 2009 (6:03 pm)
Replying to: baggs32 (Jan 22, 2009 2:00 pm) Well, I don't see any other way to interpret ""I think I am getting the car [Prius] free with the savings from the suv that I gave up." except that this person must have purchased a Prius and got rid of (note the past tense) his/her SUV. Else there would have been no way for them to know what savings were being achieved with the Prius. Since that person stated he/she did give up his/her SUV, they were not still driving that SUV.   I can't help it if you want to nit-pick, multiple times, every example someone posts here. I only pulled a few examples out of one discussion in Town Hall. It's not like it's an exhaustive survey. But you're right, it is getting repetitive so I agree it is time to move on.
#11534 of 13339 Need help deciding if OnStar is worth the cost? by bwia Jan 23, 2009 (11:38 am)
Not sure where to post this but….   Our first year OnStar subscription will expire next month and we are debating whether it is worth the $300 for the annual subscription renewal. At the beginning we had some fun with the turn-by-turn navigation and the hands-free telephone feature but these are turning out to be novelties. Furthermore, we have AAA in the event of a breakdown or locking your keys inside, thus from a cost/benefit perspective it would appear that OnStar is a rip-off and a cash cow for GM.   So my question are: (1) Is OnStar really worth the cost? (2) Are there any renewal discounts and if so is there a special discount code? So far we’ve received only one email reminder and no hard sell tactics. You would think in this tough economic climate GM would be pressing hard for our business but so far no pressure. Replies to this message: urnews (Jan 23, 2009 1:53 pm) donl1 (Jan 23, 2009 3:19 pm) vanman1 (Jan 24, 2009 4:01 pm)
#11535 of 13339 Re: Need help deciding if OnStar is worth the cost? [bwia] by urnews Jan 23, 2009 (1:53 pm)
Replying to: bwia (Jan 23, 2009 11:38 am) Doesn't sound as if you'd be getting much use out of it. Probably not worth $300 per year. It's not something that I would be interested in if I owned a GM car (we have three Ford products).
#11536 of 13339 Re: Need help deciding if OnStar is worth the cost? [bwia] by donl1 Jan 23, 2009 (3:19 pm)
Replying to: bwia (Jan 23, 2009 11:38 am) I renewed OnStar on my Acadia this spring for $150. This is the basic plan and does not include the turn by turn navigation.
#11537 of 13339 by kirstie_h HOST Jan 24, 2009 (6:20 am)
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#11538 of 13339 Re: Need help deciding if OnStar is worth the cost? [bwia] by vanman1 Jan 24, 2009 (4:01 pm)
Replying to: bwia (Jan 23, 2009 11:38 am) I wish OnStar had a pay per use plan. I guess if they did, it would hurt their subscriptions.   Personally I don't drive much so I have only used OnStar once or twice since I got it in September on my Malibu. Do I need it, no. Do I want it, ya. I am in the same position as you are. I also am not sure if I will keep my XM Radio. Love it but not much use when my commute is 10 minutes.

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